Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5375029/vatican-defends-brazil-excommunication/" target="_blank">http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/w...ication/</a> How DARE that mother and the doctors try to protect that nine year old tramp (er, I mean rape victim)!? I am extremely sickened by the Vatican response here. Even more than usual! Pigs. Sickening pigs, and if THEY aren't a bunch of "politicos", I don't know what the word means! I hope they burn in hell! (except there is no hell, of course)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed "a heinous crime ... the abortion - the elimination of an innocent life - was more serious".*** Raping someone is not so bad, says the Catholic Church. Abortion is worse! I am SERIOUSLY trying very hard not to violate community standards here by writing EXACTLY what I think deserves to be written. I'll hold my tongue. But, I am sincerely disgusted. I am ASHAMED that I was ever catholic. And I absolutely LOATHE with all my heart those stupid folks who are making these proclamations and I hope, somehow, someday I'll have a chance to talk to them face to face so I can tell them exactly what I think of them.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 That is absolutely disgusting. I just can't believe they defended the excommunication and basically gave the scumbag stepdad rapist an all clear. A nine-year old carrying twins. . . yeah, that's gonna end well for all involved, if she had carried them to term.
Originally Posted By mele <A senior Vatican cleric >> Clearly it doesn't take a lot of common sense to get to this position. Or heart, or soul or intelligence. While I wouldn't say that all religion is bad based on this, I can definitely say it ain't for me.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Amazing. While this does nothing whatsoever to shake my belief in God, it does cement my conviction that any time a religion goes just beyond believing in God and living the Golden Rule, that's when things go terribly wrong. The Catholic ideas of purgatory, limbo, getting sex or procreation directions from people who have never allegedly indulged themselves, etc., anything Jehovah or Mormon (world class hypocrites), all that, makes for one tough time for those who just want to be left alone.
Originally Posted By LadyKluck I'm with X here, I don't wanna say how I really feel because of community standards, but I will say I feel physically ill right now over this! That poor little girl (yes a 9 year old is still a little girl in my book)!!
Originally Posted By Disney_fanatics_mom I guess its consistent with the way they tolerated paedophile priests for years on end. Sickening.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< While this does nothing whatsoever to shake my belief in God, it does cement my conviction that any time a religion goes just beyond believing in God and living the Golden Rule, that's when things go terribly wrong. >>> Although there are some genuine atheists here on WE, for the most part, as far as I can tell the people that get upset about religion in the way that's been done in this and similar threads are much more likely to have an opinion along the lines of what you stated above. Yet, the reaction often seems to be as if that's not the case.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This is one of the most appalling cases I have read about. Absolute insanity in regards to how the clerics have responded to this.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But, I am sincerely disgusted. I am ASHAMED that I was ever catholic. >>> With words like that, aren't you worried that you might get excommunicated?
Originally Posted By -em <<< While this does nothing whatsoever to shake my belief in God, it does cement my conviction that any time a religion goes just beyond believing in God and living the Golden Rule, that's when things go terribly wrong. >>> Agreed and how sad..
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie That poor child. I can not believe that she has been villianized and that monster that did this to her is given a pass.
Originally Posted By Pixie Glitter This is utterly appalling. And all aside from this poor little girl in this particular horrific case, I have issues with the concept of "excommunication" in general. As a lifelong Christian (but not Catholic, obviously) I vehemently disagree with the whole notion. People don't have the right or authority to throw other people out of a supposedly Christian church. It goes against two of the most basic tenets of Christianity. . . .God loves all people, and only God should pass judgment. And when you look at the specifics here (the girl's mother and doctors being excommunicated for the abortion that evidently saved the rape victim's life, but the rapist not being excommunicated). . . it defies all moral reasoning.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<<< But, I am sincerely disgusted. I am ASHAMED that I was ever catholic. >>> With words like that, aren't you worried that you might get excommunicated?*** lol.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie How I relate to this is the church has decided to play God and recreate the story of Abraham and Isaac. They asked this mother to sacrifice the life of her child. The difference being, the church isn't going to put their hand out and say, "Ok, this was just a test, don't really kill your daughter." They are willing to complete the sacrafice and kill the daughter in the name of dogma.
Originally Posted By quincytoo This is disgusting, how could church be like this???? No wait, don't answer..
Originally Posted By DAR <<< But, I am sincerely disgusted. I am ASHAMED that I was ever catholic. >>> <<With words like that, aren't you worried that you might get excommunicated?>> The Vatican has someone assigned to LP? And my faith and belief in God is never questioned, but some of the people doing the legwork, well that should always be questioned.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf <<Police said the 23-year-old stepfather also allegedly sexually abused the girl's physically handicapped 14-year-old sister.>> And the church refuses to excommunicate this guy?? What is it with the Catholic Church and sexual abuse of minors? <<He also said the accused stepfather would not be expelled from the church. Although the man allegedly committed "a heinous crime ... the abortion - the elimination of an innocent life - was more serious>> More serious than raping two innocent little girls, including a handicapped one?? Saving the life of a 9-year-old rape victim is viewed as a heinous crime?? This is very disturbing.
