Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/12/12/iran.holocaust.conference.reut/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ meast/12/12/iran.holocaust.conference.reut/index.html</a> Okay kids, what to do?
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Funniest line: "Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world," Ahmadinejad said. "Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere." Yup, when I think freedom, I think Iran.
Originally Posted By gadzuux These iranians are going to be sooo surprised when they're "wiped off the face of the earth". They'll say it's an atrocity, and no mention of this kind of scorched earth rhetoric about israel will be brought up then.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The guy's remarks are offensive and any statement about wiping Israel off the map is criminal. On the other hand, and I'm asking this with the admission that I know little of the details of WWII. What evidence is behind the number of civilians killed in the war? Frankly both the number of Russians and the number of Jews killed seems impossibly high. Were those deaths counted the same way we counted Viet Cong casualties during the Viet Nam war? If so, I wouldn't have much confidence in the figures. I recognize what the intent of the Nazis was. I recognize that the Holocaust did exist. I'm just wondering if MANY of the civilian casualty figures of WWII have been exaggerated.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>"Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere."<< "Unless, of course, we don't like what you say. Then you have your newspaper closed, your website blocked, you go to prison, and that's just for starters."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm thinking that Israel isn't prone to taking too much more of this guy's crap, and after another outburst or two, or maybe even after this latest one, will pre-emptively take care of the guy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, Israel still believes in assassination. If only the U.S. did we might have avoided this whole Iraq invasion and occupation thing.
Originally Posted By jonvn "What evidence is behind the number of civilians killed in the war?" What I suggest you do is go to the Holocaust museum in Washington DC.
Originally Posted By jonvn What it all boils down to is that these people hate Jews. That's all. At least they are open about it.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 What's sad is that most Americans used to support Israel. Now, in the typically soft-boiled, namby-pamby approach of most modern Americans, too many people are backing off from the decision to grant Israel a country of its own. Even those industries which have been traditionally pro-Israel--Hollywood for example -- are backing Palestinian causes these days. It seems clear to me that only a country that has guts, like Israel, will ever challenge countries like Iran. But it won't be soon enough in my opinion. It seems too late to affect any changes in the middle east and a world war of some sort will likely occur within the next decade.
Originally Posted By jonvn If an actual real war does break out, unless we are willing to fight it to win it, and not go in trying to convince people we are so wonderful by bombing them, we'll lose.
Originally Posted By gadzuux We'll lose either way. Even a "limited" nuclear war will almost certainly wreak such havoc on the planet itself that millions will die of starvation or even weather calamities. And I'd like to think that we've got more to lose than them - many of whom live in tents or tenements and have little quality of life to speak of.
Originally Posted By Mr X We can't "win" any wars anymore. There's simply no way. Insurgents will prevail, and make us look bad. And if we use too much force, we'll look bad. And if we nuke, as Gadzuux said, that's the end. So, we'll go on "losing" wars.
Originally Posted By jonvn After WWII, there were insurgents in Germany. We simply wiped them out, and anyone around them. Unless you are willing to utterly decimate a nation and kill anyone who even blinks wrong at you and a few others besides, and not give a rat's rear, then you are going to lose. You also have to occupy that country as well, and continue to behave in this manner until the lesson is learned. We are STILL in Germany, with about 20 bases. The main thing is the hand wringing and the self questioning simply can't go on if you want to win. To win, you have to want to kill the enemy. That's the only way to win.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom This from Neil Boortz today. <<The United States has been telling the world for what...oh about 10 years that Iran was a threat to the world because of its nuclear ambitions? And we have been ignored....and admonished...and told that we should sit down and talk to Iran. Thanks to global Islamic appeasement, we've been made to look like the bad guy. But now, since Iran is hosting this Holocaust forum in which they are denying the Holocaust ever took place, suddenly Iran is evil just for that reason. Germany's leader says Iran should never be allowed to have a nuclear bomb. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the Holocaust is a myth. Tony Blair says he is outraged beyond belief. Excuse me, but shouldn't we be worrying just a bit less about some Holocaust forum full of nutcases and more about Iran's financing and training of terrorists? How about their nuclear ambitions? It would seem people are more worried about what Iran thinks of something that happened 60 years ago than what is going on now...which is their relentless quest for a nuclear weapon and their support for Al-Qaeda. Perhaps the world will wake up to what we've been saying for a long time now.>>
Originally Posted By gadzuux The only time I ever hear of neil boortz or read his stuff is when you post it. And every time I think "what a gasbag he is". If he's concerned about people ignoring the US when we squawk about iran's nuclear ambitions, their support for al qaeda, their financing and training of terrorists, perhaps he should consider that we've already been caught crying 'wolf' about iraq's nuclear ambitions, their ties to al qaeda, their training and financing of terrorists. The bush administration is singularly unqualified to press this case, wholly because of their record of lying about iraq and saddam. And who's fault is that? They have no credibility left only because they squandered it on iraq. That's yet another facet of their incompetence. They've been using al qaeda and bin laden as a convenient boogeyman, yet their own actions have made al qaeda stronger and more threatening. And they're not even pretending to be seeking bin laden anymore - he'll die of old age. Bush doesn't even mention him, either because he's incapable of eliminating him or just doesn't want to. Boortz's premise is flawed from the outset - that the world has it all wrong and that we americans are righteous heroes who seek to right wrongs protect the weak. In actuality, our actions only strengthen the terrorists and shift power TO iran, and to al qaeda. And bin laden - who's he?
Originally Posted By jonvn "This from Neil Boortz today." Why don't you just write what YOU think. It's much more interesting.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The bush administration is singularly unqualified to press this case, wholly because of their record of lying about iraq and saddam.> Yes, shame on the Bush administration for continuing to say the same things about Iraq that the Clinton administration said.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Of course, Iraq did have nuclear ambitions and ties to al qaeda, and they did train and finance terrorists.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Ambitions" is a pretty low bar. And the others they had on a lower level than other countries in the region we didn't invade.
