Originally Posted By ecdc Another one. Of course, it's all mental illness and has nothing to do with the gun. We just need to focus on mental illness and definitely not in preventing inadequate losers from getting guns. Fun fact: among the first things to go in federal and state budget cuts championed by conservatives is help for the mentally ill.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The shooter is the son of an assistant director for the movie Hunger Games.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Link- <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://abc7.com/news/gunman-idd-in-isla-vista-drive-by-shooting/76145/">http://abc7.com/news/gunman-id...g/76145/</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>"There's going to be a lot more information that will come out that will give a clearer picture of just how disturbed this individual was," he added.<< Good thing it was so hard for him to get a gun then.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 He also stabbed three people and planned to use his his SUV as a weapon. Guns or not this guy planned on killing by any means necessary.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The NRA's butcher's bill is getting awfully high. This year or next, guns will kill more people than motor vehicles in the United States. They will kill be being used how they were designed to be used, unlike motor vehicle deaths.
Originally Posted By Donny Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”[1] More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mental-health-and-firearms.aspx?s=%22mental+health%22&st=&ps=">http://www.nraila.org/news-iss...&st=&ps=</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Americans only have a right to own a gun when serving in a Militia. That's the problem we face. Today's Militia is the National Guard. This kid was not in the National Guard.
Originally Posted By utahjosh The Supreme Court ruled that individuals, not militias, have the right to bear arms. Sorry.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer SPP, you were correct until the judicial activists on the Supreme Court changed 200 years of consistent rulings on the subject.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence." Who does the NRA expect to pay for this? I have a hard time thinking a typical NRA type will support an increase in social programs.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Exactly. It's called "lip service," so they can always claim they favor "doing something." Meanwhile their puppets in Congress also say we need to address mental illness, then propose budgets with slashes in funding for it.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'll keep saying it: at some point, if all you have to offer is "Well you can kill people other ways," or "The NRA has a swell gun safety program" or anything else, we can only reasonably conclude that you find the current epidemic of gun violence in the United States acceptable, because you have absolutely no solution to address the problem. It's easy to whine about how nothing can ever possibly get fixed in America, it's hard to come up with plausible solutions.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo I bet if we propose beefing up Obamacare to make sure the mentally ill or fully found and given the attention they need, the NRA membership will be flocking to support it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "The Supreme Court ruled that individuals, not militias, have the right to bear arms. Sorry." They got it wrong. Individuals in militias, sure. You, not so much. And moreover, it should only be muskets and antiquated pistols. No way the country's forefathers could have anticipated today's weapons.
Originally Posted By ecdc "After I picked up the handgun, I brought it back to my room and felt a new sense of power. I was now armed. Who's the alpha male now, bitches? I thought to myself, regarding all of the girls who've looked down on me in the past." --Elliot Rodgers
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm all for more gun regulation. I'm never for taking a pistol, rifle, or shotgun away from the average american.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If the NRA was serious about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill or criminals, they'd be supportive of background checks before buying guns even at gun shows. But the NRA is the lobbying arm of the gun industry, so they will oppose anything that might limit sales of guns and ammo.
Originally Posted By Donny "I'm never for taking a pistol, rifle, or shotgun away from the average american." the problem is to a liberal this mentally ill person is the average American.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What a ridiculous thing to say. And look at the very modest proposals made in the past x-number of years on background checks, limiting the size of ammo clips, improving the background database to include records of those treated for mental illness or convicted of domestic violence, or limiting the sale of assault weapons as was done for a decade with no resulting loss in the right to buy any other sort of weapon. None of them was about "taking your guns away." Stop drinking the NRA kool-aid.
