Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Okay, ducklings, have at it. This is an article my sister and I came across just today after conjuring it up inside the crystal ball. It made for an interesting read and shows that it isn't guns we need to fear so much as the evil individuals who will find any means to kill others if that's what they really want to do. We pasted the article here for all to read but you can also use your computers to find the original article at www.Breitbart.com for those of you who don't have the balls as we do--meaning crystal, that is... According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle. This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course. However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle. Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618. And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant. For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs. While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle. Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles. The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick. And it seems fairly obvious that if more people had a gun, less people would be inclined to try to hit them in the head with a hammer.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you can't see how that laughable little piece was manipulated by focusing only on rifles (a very specific thing) rather than firearms, I don't know what to tell you. Seriously, you're too smart to fall for that, Josh. Aren't you?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Of course there will always be those who find something laughable about something that disagrees with their point of view. But what is sad is the person who misses the main point by trying to put a certain spin on certain details that would eclipse the truth about the truth behind gun ownership. I'm sure this article won't change the minds of those who are locked in to their opinions against gun ownership. But at least it gives those with more open minds something to consider before drawing a conclusion. This is too serious a matter for knee jerk decisions to be made for others by the American government, which has already been taking freedom away from its people on a regular basis.
Originally Posted By dshyates As a news photographer, I am sitting outside a gun violence murder scene here in Orlando 2-3 a week. That said, I have never been to a murder scene where some one was killed with a hammer or club. But yes, the murder scenes that I have covered were almost exclusively committed pistols. So I guess the point the witches are making is we need to focus on pistols also. And I could agree more.
Originally Posted By dshyates Wow, that post above makes me look like I have been drinking, which I haven't...yet. Take out a couple of spaces. And add a "with" in there somewhere.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***which has already been taking freedom away from its people on a regular basis*** True. And they've done so quite adeptly without even TOUCHING second amendment matters. So for all those up-in-arms about the gun stuff without a peep about the other stuff (Witches are an exception, as he has also commented about the dangers of the patriot act and other matters most right wingers stayed clear of as long as it was their guys doing it (hint - it's the same guys)). But yeah, they've had no trouble stripping away our civil rights without needing to go after the second amendment, and if the vitriol and rhetoric on LEFT WING sites is any indication, nothing much will change as far as gun laws are concerned so there's really no reason to get up in arms about it (pardon the pun), unless you just enjoy lending a hand with their propaganda work by playing the part of "concerned, vocal patriot" for them to play off of.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The most important point that the article is making--which seems to go over the heads of some--is that taking away the right to own certain types of guns is like putting a bandaide on a problem instead of getting to the root cause--which is the problem of growing violence all around the globe. Banning guns isn't going to change that. But what it will do is take away a person's ability to protect themselves from the growing violence and leave them helpless victims--in many cases--when they wouldn't have to be. Again, the real enemies aren't guns; the real enemies are persons with evil intents and that's where most of the focus should be. People need to be able to protect themselves because there are too many instances where they need that protection. Take the protection away and you'll have even more wounded and dead victims to mourn.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Thanks to utahjosh--back there-- and thank you for what you said, Mr. X, dear. You always come across as someone who seems to consider all sides of an issue. This is such a challenge for all of us. We all have our preconceived notions and ideas. At one point I actually believed guns should be banned, too--all of them. But over time it's become all too clear that there is a darker agenda behind a government's desire to put its citizens in such a vulnerable position. The evil in this world is more cruel and intense than most can ever imagine. By the time we all come to realize this it will be too late for most. Therefore it is more important than ever to seek out the truth and not be afraid to stand up for it. With all the lies your politicians have been telling you over and over from both sides of the aisles, how can any of you continue to fall for even more? It's high time the real enemies of the people were unmasked.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>taking away the right to own certain types of guns is like putting a bandaide on a problem instead of getting to the root cause<< Bandaids do an awful lot of good. >>Take the protection away and you'll have even more wounded and dead victims to mourn.<< The gun violence stats of every other civilized country on the globe prove you're wrong.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It's high time the real enemies of the people were unmasked.<< This isn't about the reptilians, is it? If so, ssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Not so fast, mawnck, duckling. I was just reading an article, today, where it was mentioned how Australia isn't doing so well--violence-wise--as a result of that country's gun control. ORWEN: And bandaides don't cure a disease. They're just temporary measures meant to be a temporary fix. But you know that! Wouldn't it be so much better to ban the criminals who commit violence instead of the tools they use? I mean, let's lock 'em up and put 'em away! And come up with some worthwhile programs to prevent people from turning to a life of violence in the first place. Otherwise the violence will continue. ORDDU: The deeper problem really is people. Where do you suppose all the hatred in their hearts comes from? And what examples do all of you perform to set better examples for the rest of the world to follow?
Originally Posted By dshyates Witches, I have been to at least 5 double murder scenes where there were 2 dead guys laying in the yard, each who had a gun. I have never been to one where the dead bad guy was shot by a good guy with a gun. I also went to at least 8 murder-suicide scenes last year. This absolutely horrible one outside of ocala today. Dead 6 month old, Mother in critical condition. <a href="http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/1/4/mother_child_airlift.html" target="_blank">http://www.cfnews13.com/conten...ift.html</a> I am done with our 2nd Amendment rights.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Give me a break, witches. You don't come on here much, but when you do, it's with trutherism and conspiracy theories, and black helicopters, and now it's "the government's going to take your guns" crap. If you came here more often, you'd know that I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. I do have a problem with laughably manipulated pseudo-studies, transparent to all but those who want to believe them, such as this one. Which you have fallen for hook, line, and sinker. Rifles are a specific thing. They are long, hard to conceal, used mostly for hunting. Of course they are involved in relatively few murders. In fact, I was surprised the number was as high as it was. Assault weapons, which is all anybody is talking about banning, are also a specific thing. They are weapons of war, designed to kill as many people as possible in a short period of time. If there were such a thing as an assault hammer, which was able to kill dozens of people in two minutes flat, then this so-called study would have a point. But there isn't, so it doesn't. Nobody is taking away anybody's guns. Even if the assault weapons ban is reinstituted, existing ones remain. The black helicopters are not coming for you. And you are not "better informed" because you believe so.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And I'll say it again. This is somebody who pretends to be three witches posting on a Disney web site. It's not cute, it's not funny, it's hardly charming. What it is is bizarre, plain and simple. Top it off with the fruitcake theories this person espouses, and well, you've got a fruitcake.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Wouldn't it be so much better to ban the criminals who commit violence instead of the tools they use?<< It's been done.
Originally Posted By ecdc Guns kill people. Enjoy. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/26/guns-kill-people-in-one-chilling-graph/" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...g-graph/</a> >>But in the United States, when people decide to kill people, or kill themselves, they typically reach for a gun.<<
Originally Posted By tashajilek "For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs." Even if this were true is it not important that 323 people were killed by a rifle? If any deaths can be prevented why wouldnt anyone want that?
Originally Posted By leobloom I think the Witches want to arm everyone with rifles so that we can shoot the people who would attack us with hammers and clubs. Seriously, between Donny the Troll who types like he has a fifth grade education and the individual who won't drop the Disney character online persona, this place is a loony bin. Entertaining, but a loony bin.
