Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/opinion/18rich.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05...f=slogin</a> Frank Rich has an interesting take on why the typically "safe" Republican Congressional seat in Mississippi went to a Democrat, the third to do so this year. Here's an excerpt, click the link for more: >>The biggest gift President Bush has given his party this year was to keep his daughter’s wedding nearly as private as Connie Corleone’s. Now that his disapproval rating has reached the Nixon nadir of negativity, even a joyous familial ritual isn’t enough to make the country glad to see him. The G.O.P.’s best hope would be for both the president and Dick Cheney to lock themselves in a closet until the morning after Election Day. Republicans finally recognized the gravity of their situation three days after Jenna Bush took her vows in Crawford. As Hillary Clinton romped in West Virginia, voters in Mississippi elected a Democrat in a Congressional district that went for Bush-Cheney by 25 percentage points just four years ago. It’s the third “safe†Republican House seat to fall in a special election since March. Party leaders have been haplessly trying to identify possible remedies ever since. It didn’t help that their recent stab at an Obamaesque national Congressional campaign slogan, “The Change You Deserve,†was humiliatingly identified as the advertising pitch for the anti-depressant Effexor. (If they’re going to go the pharmaceutical route, “Viva Viagra†might be more to the point.) Yet for all the Republican self-flagellation, it’s still not clear that the party even understands the particular dimensions of its latest defeat and its full implications for both Congressional races and John McCain in November.<<
Originally Posted By dshyates Saw the thread title, and was going to recommend a Wahl Trimmer. But I see your talking about GEORGE Bush. So yeah, a chains of Jacob Marley like problem. Good luck with that.
Originally Posted By planodisney ecdc, why dont you just ask moderators if we can start a, Republicans=Satan, section and we can just lump all of your topics in there. It would be quite handy for us all!!!
Originally Posted By dshyates By the way, it seems as if those on the right are getting more hysterical as it looks more and more like they are going to take a thumping this November.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>ecdc, why dont you just ask moderators if we can start a, Republicans=Satan, section and we can just lump all of your topics in there. It would be quite handy for us all!!!<< So...many...smart-ass...remarks.... Must. Resist. Plano, would you care to actually comment on what I posted? Of course, no where does anyone say that Republicans=Satan (though Satan is my favorite fictional character). Understandable as it is that you want to defend the Republican party, the things my post and the opinion piece raise are very real. Fact: Republicans have lost three traditionally safe congressional seats in special elections. Fact: Bush has had the longest low approval ratings of any President since polling began. As much as Republicans like to say "Well, uh, Truman had some bad numbers too!" the real story is how long Bush's numbers have been in the toilet. So you're more than welcome to respond to the substance of the post. Or you can keep building strawmen to knock down.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 By the way, it seems as if those on the right are getting more hysterical as it looks more and more like they are going to take a thumping this November.<< How are the Republicans getting hysterical? It's the democrats self destructing because of the fact that Hillary doesn't know when to give up.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I actually respect Bush for not making a spectacle of his daughter's wedding. He is the one in office, not her. That said, I do believe McCain's close ties to Bush hurt him but will it mean the difference in the election? I don't think so. I think the Democrats are in trouble and, really, they shouldn't be. This SHOULD be their year. There is no reason they should lose other than they couldn't find two more complicated candidates. I say if Edwards had got the nod he would have crushed McCain. But, Clinton and Obama are travelling with a LOT of baggage and they are picking more up as they ride this train.
Originally Posted By dshyates I think that if Obama and Clinton were on the same ticket it would be a slaughter. That said I don't believe it will happen. I believe that Edwards stands a better chance of being on the ticket but he's one of those white guys with ties that didn't win appalachia last time. But about the only way Obama will win WV if Clinton is not on the ticket is to chose Jay Rockefeller.
Originally Posted By planodisney dshyates, I think you couldnt be more right in Post 6. I believe that Republicans are in for an utter massacre in November. And they,(we), deserve every bit of it. I absolutely believe that conservatism is the best political philosophy, but does it realy matter if the people who aspouse this philosophy in government have become weak, corrupted and only care about maintaining power. I actually like Rush and Hannity, but they are dillusional . They keep preaching that the Republican party is faltering because they aren't conservative enough. Well, the truth is that conservatism is being utterly rejected by a majority of the American people, primarily because of the hypocrites and bafoons who have been pretending to believe in it, in Washington. If McCain has any chance, he must be a centrist in this election. He has no other choice. Also, ecdc, everything you said in your last post is absolutely correct, and I dont see how anyone could argue otherwise. My earlier point was that it must take alot of time to google,(REPUBLICAN MISTAKES), everyday. Would it help you if one of us just plainly came out and stated up front, "We have made mistakes, we have idiots on our side and we sometimes say things we shouldnt." Can I also say that believing one side is completely right about every issue and the other side is completely wrong about every issue is DILLUSIONAL.
Originally Posted By inlandemporer I agree that McCain has a Bush problem. 8 years ago I'd have supported McCain, and I'm still willing to give him a go. I haven't made up my mind for November yet. But I've been disappointed in how closely he has hewed to Bush's line on the two most important issues, the war and the economy. Bush is dead wrong on both, and McCain is too. I like McCain's independent streak, and part of me thinks that if he's elected he'll go back to being the "real" McCain. But then I'm ticked off that he so easily jettisoned that guy on issues like retaining the Bush tax cuts just for political gain in the primaries. It makes me wonder about his authenticity, and how independent he really is. On the war, he does seem to be authentic, just wrong. So McCain has really bothered me this year, moving away from the sort of centrist I could vote for. Obama I'm still unsure of. So I have some homework to do.
Originally Posted By planodisney Was that enough of a defense of MY Republican party for ya? I long for the day that any liberal on here,save RoadTrip a time or two, calls out his or her party for being sold out to the extreme left, or for doing anything governmentally wrong for that matter.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Democrats have enacted some bad ideas. They have plenty of members who are personally corrupt. How's that? But "extreme left?" Depends what you consider extreme, I suppose. Did you consider Bill Clinton "extreme left?"
Originally Posted By planodisney Absolutely not!!! However, the power and money of the Democratic party abbandoned the Clintons for a more liberal candidate precisely because they arent liberal enough for the elite. Clinton is a centrist.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Actually, most of the Dem. establishment power and money went to Hillary Clinton; Obama's money was largely raised from small donors.
