Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/28/hud.hoax/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI CS/08/28/hud.hoax/index.html</a> How hard can it be to call D.C. and verify someone's credentials. Maybe if the mayor spent less time criticizing NYC and more time worrying about his city, he wouldn't continually make himself look like an idiot.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 but he is the king idiot, as he was re elected by which just astounds me. go figure.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I am waiting for him to find a way to blame Bush for this screw up......
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Spike Lee will just add a few more minutes to his bogus piece of work...
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Most of it is Nagin and Blancos fault, yes. Responsibility starts at the local and state level, always.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Yeah. It's all Nagin's fault. EVERYTHINGS Nagin's fault. < a more accurate statement that nothing is Nagin's fault
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Yeah. It's all Nagin's fault. EVERYTHINGS Nagin's fault. << If I am sick, and a doctor approaches me and says he will operate on me, I will check his credentials and verify he is , who he has he is. What Nagin and his high speed Governor did was inexusible, they allowed someone to give a speech to a segment of their population assuming he was a high ranking official. You know what happens when you assume.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper The Dateline special last night did a pretty fair job of spreading the blame around equally. There is NO DOUBT that Nagin and Blanco should be blamed for the first 72 hours of the fiasco. And there is NO DOUBT that the President and his administration should be blamed for the many weeks that followed. And, any of us who have means are to be blamed for the state of the city...and all inner cities for that matter...prior to the storm.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <How hard can it be to call D.C. and verify someone's credentials. Maybe if the mayor spent less time criticizing NYC and more time worrying about his city, he wouldn't continually make himself look like an idiot.> Reading the piece, it doesn't sound like Nagin or his office set up this meeting; it sounds like it was another outfit, and Nagin was just an invited speaker. It was this other outfit that was contacted by the bogus guy and told that Sec. Jackson wanted to speak there, and therefore if anyone should have checked things out, it was them. One can lay many things at Nagin's door, but I don't think this is of them. "William Loiry, president of meeting sponsor Equity International, said he was duped. "We were contacted about a week ago or so by someone who we believed to be [public relations firm] Hill & Knowlton [saying] that they were representing the HUD secretary and that he wanted to make a major announcement at this summit." Loiry said he was told a few minutes before he had planned to introduce Jackson that the secretary would be replaced by Oswin."
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In repsonce to post # 10: <<There is NO DOUBT that Nagin and Blanco should be blamed for the first 72 hours of the fiasco.>> Agreed! <<And there is NO DOUBT that the President and his administration should be blamed for the many weeks that followed.>> I have to respectfully disagree. After 72 hours New Orleans didn't become a "Federal Government Possession". Sure the Federal Government needed to help out. They did and were being shot at for their efforts. Yes, the Feds made mistakes. But to say that once 72 hours were up and suddenly ALL blame went to the President, I have a problem. This is pricisely what the Democrats want to do is shift ALL blame of hurricane Katrina on to the President. They blame the President for EVERYTHING negative that has happened ( or anything good that didn't happen) in New Orleans over the past year onto the President. I have listed at least one article where "local" New Orleans residents are complaining about the "local" government as there are a lack of school open. Also the local government set today as some date when everyone had to have their home or lot cleans. Anyone who doesn't have their property cleaned by today faces fines or their property bulldozzed. <<<And, any of us who have means are to be blamed for the state of the city...and all inner cities for that matter...prior to the storm.>>> How about "our" own communities? Don't we get to fix up our own communities? Metro-Atlanta sustained four tornado's spun off from Hurricane Katrina. So your saying that the good people of Georgia, everywhere else as well as the good people who had homes along the Outer Banks of North Carolina who lost all their homes ( most of which have not yet been replaced from a hurricane last summer as well ). Will just have to go without. So I guess the poor people of New Orleans more important than those rich people who's homes were destroyed in the Florida Panhandle of along North Carolina's Outer Banks? Talk about Social class warfare. Or people being about to repair their own communities. Incase you didn't read any of the above posts. I already demonstraded that 10 Billion dollars have been spent toward the hurricane Katrina victims. With another 60 Billion promised. No assistance, charity or aid along those numbers has been promised ( or received ) to the numerous hurricane victims in states along the Altantic coastline, Florida or the Florida panhandle from any of the other numerous hurricanes that have struck EVER.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom WilliamK99 I appologize for highjacking your thread. But, some people despite ALL the facts, absolutely, positively have to blame the woes of New Orleans squarely on the shoulders of the President of the United State AND the "those with means".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There are some left-wingers who try to blame everything on Bush/the feds and some right-wingers who try to blame everything on Nagin/the locals, but most people can see through that. Most people.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Tom, in my effort to be brief I think I was misinterpreted. I say Bush's responsibility for the disaster and the disaster of a recovery effort begane at 72 hours but Nagin and Blanco were still on the hook at that point. I just wanted to make it clear that the folks blaming Bush a day or two after the storm hit were misplacing their anger. It was the local government who directed people to the Superdome and the Convention Center...where supplies were not ready. As for the poor...I'm just suggesting that we all bear some resposiblity for allowing our large cities to be in such a state of disrepair that something like this could happen. If this storm were as bad in Miami, Atlanta, Houston, etc we would have pockets of the poor who would fair far worse than those that are better off. And, society as a whole bears some responsibility for that. Heck, I was directly affected by Wilma. I put nearly $1,000 into my roof and it will be close to $3,000 for community repairs (I'm part of an HOA.) The government didn't offer me a dime so I do agree that there is an imbalance as to the response. But, the folks in New Orleans probably have a GREATER need and I can live with that.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And, any of us who have means are to be blamed for the state of the city...and all inner cities for that matter...prior to the storm.< while I understand what you are saying, what ever happened to personal accountability also...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 some of us who have means had nothing - sip - silch at one time also...sometimes people need to put some effort into changing their world - and some do nothing. For those you work hard to try and accomplish this, they need whatever support we can give them, that I agree with.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 make that zip - zilch and many of those pockts of poor are also illegals here..a whole other issue before I accept any responsibility
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I'm all for personal accountability and as I've said many times...I have no sympathy with those idiots who chose to stay when they HAD means to get out and then refused rescue as helicopters hovered overhead. But, I am a Christian and I believe in helping others. While I tithe and give to the poor through church I could do more...and don't...and so I bear some of the guilt.
