Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Biden_criticizes_Obama_ad_hitting_McCain_as_technologically_inept.html?showall" target="_blank">http://www.politico.com/blogs/...?showall</a> >>Joe Biden offered perhaps his most off-message statement yet since being tapped as Barack Obama's running mate, saying in an interview that he thought one of his campaign's own ads was "terrible" and hadn't know about it in advance. Asked by CBS's Katie Couric about an ad Obama released earlier this month mocking John McCain for not being able to use a computer, Biden criticized the commercial and suggested it had been aired without his knowledge. "I thought that was terrible by the way," Biden said of the computer ad in an interview broadcast tonight on the CBS Evening News Asked why it was aired, Biden said: "I didn't know we did it and if I had anything to do with it, we would have never done it."<< Glad to see Senator Biden make these comments, the ad was dumb and stupid.
Originally Posted By ecdc So DB is saying that Biden said what he though. And that's bad in a leader because....
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Originally Posted By vbdad55 <So DB is saying that Biden said what he though. And that's bad in a leader because....< I don't see where DB said it was bad- what is bad is the accusation here that basically every McCain ad is and Obama attack ads are dead on - each side is more than capable of and already producing crap question I have is who said I'm xxxx and I approve this ad?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I don't see where DB said it was bad- what is bad is the accusation here that basically every McCain ad is and Obama attack ads are dead on - each side is more than capable of and already producing crap<< And what DB left out was another great statement by Biden. He did point out that the ad by the Obama camp was nowhere near the ad produced by the McCain camp on Obama's vote on sex ed. Again, it's lacking in nuance or shades of gray to say both parties are the same. They're not. To say that Obama wants to teach children sex ed before they can read, when his vote was really in support of teaching children to protect themselves from sexual predators is unconscionable. Obama's ad poked fun at McCain; he shouldn't have done it, but there's a difference. I get frustrated when people insist these things are all "just the same."
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Ok let me ask you this question - what supposedly is McCain's biggest weakness/concern ? Age. Age for any number of reasons and that is what Obama's campaign picked at - it was a very calculated and cutting shot as the person himself, not a political stance or opinion of his. I'm sorry, I know you are only stating what you believe - but so am I - I see that as the same...and done to sway voters exactly the same way.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 that's not 'poking fun' innocently - please.. that was attacking a personal factor of the man. Can you imagine if the McCain camp 'poked fun' at Obama's race. OMG, the world as we know it would end there is age discrimination in this world as well - and as I get older - I see it on a daily basis It was a targeted shot for certain voters- plain and simple.
Originally Posted By Mr X I don't buy that. McCain himself said he was computer "illiterate". What's wrong with pointing that out? (I actually disagree with Biden on this one, but am happy to hear the man isn't afraid to express his opinions even if they contradict his boss...let's see Sarah Palin do THAT)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 you know full well as I do, it's the way you do it. we'll go back to the race issue - there are different ways of pointing out that Obama is black - do you think they're all the same too ? we're back to intent of the ad - and sorry, I agree with Joe Biden, he knows it was done maliciously - at least he's not afraid to say so..
Originally Posted By Mr X ***you know full well as I do, it's the way you do it.*** No, I totally disagree. There's a difference between old and "out of touch", and McCain happens to be both. One shouldn't matter in a campaign, but other is entirely relevant. ***we'll go back to the race issue - there are different ways of pointing out that Obama is black - do you think they're all the same too?*** Yes. Does being "too black" mean the guy doesn't understand how to use a blackberry? Doddering is not something I find appealing when it comes to choosing a president. In fact, it's pretty scary. ***we're back to intent of the ad - and sorry, I agree with Joe Biden, he knows it was done maliciously - at least he's not afraid to say so..*** I disagree with Biden on this one. It wasn't malicious. I'll say this much though, it was pretty ineffective. For downright malicious, you need to look at the McCain campaign. There's plenty there to satisfy even the most vicious mind.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I don't know how you can honesty look at an ad that says one guy is too out of touch to use a computer and then look at an ad that claims Obama wanted to teach sex ed to kindergarteners and say "it's all the same."
Originally Posted By mele They aren't. So, is McCain seriously not able to learn how to use a computer? Or does he just not care to learn? Is he stupid or stubborn? Neither one is an aspect I am looking for in a leader for my country.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<So, is McCain seriously not able to learn how to use a computer? Or does he just not care to learn? Is he stupid or stubborn? Neither one is an aspect I am looking for in a leader for my country.>> Injuries to his arms/shoulders make it virtually impossible for him to keyboard. I guess that makes him BOTH stupid and stubborn. Stupid for getting shot down and Stubborn for not giving the North Vietnamese what they wanted. [rolleyes]
Originally Posted By mele If you say so, RT. There are still ways to be literate with computers for people who are disabled. I think any President should know that. You can't have it both ways...either being tortured doesn't affect his health today and it's absurd to question it, or it does affect him, even in the smallest of ways.
