Originally Posted By DouglasDubh So, lately a bunch of right-wing critics have been saying that Senate Majority Leader Reid's statements about the Iraq war are a disgrace, and he should resign. No big deal, right? This is just what partisans do. But now other voices are adding to the mix. I found it interesting that David Broder just wrote a column that criticizes Sen Reid. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/25/AR2007042502407.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/25/AR2007042502407.html?hpid=opinionsbox1</a> Is Reid in serious trouble? Will the people of Nevada get tired of his antics?
Originally Posted By DlandDug Right wing critics going after Reid? Who knew! I have to admit that I've been waiting for some place to post my favorite recent Reid quote, said of Vice President Cheney: "I'm not going to get into a name-calling match with the administration's chief attack dog." Now why aren't we hearing that sound bite on the late night comedy shows? And they say the MSM isn't biased...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Reid's sick of the b.s. He's had enough, and he's speaking out. Good for him.
Originally Posted By jonvn That's a funny quote! Reid is right. Kucinich actually introduced articles of impeachment against cheney. No one seems to have taken notice of this.
Originally Posted By ecdc Reid's antics? Seriously? That's a good one... I guess I just think dressing up to play airforce pilot, landing on an aircraft carrier, and giving a speech about how the Iraq war was over in front of a mission accomplished banner is a bit more "antic". Good times.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Is Reid in serious trouble?<< The polls would suggest he's on the right side of this issue, while support for the war continues to dwindle. Also, the loss of the House and Senate by the GOP based largely on this issue has proven that if anything it's the GOP that is in serious trouble.
Originally Posted By friendofdd Reid is simply another opportunist. Congress is full of them. They say what they think thier supporters will like to hear.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder My gosh, look at the heavy fire Reid is taking. Is there no end to the amount of spitballs and mud that can be thrown his way?
Originally Posted By ecdc Let me add, before the inevitable "both sides suck" comments appear, that Reid isn't the most deft of politicians. Democrats are still lacking in solid, strrong leadership in Congress. Both Reid and Pelosi still need to grow a spine sometimes, IMO. But they are doing what a vast majority of Americans seem to want, and they are providing an essential counter voice to a complete failure of an administration. With a President as incompetent and god awful as Bush, to point a finger at "Reid's antics" is just laughable. People try and paint it as "politics as usual". But in Bush vs. Reid, it's like comparing the antics of a kid who burned down mom and dad's house with grandma inside while making crystal meth, to the antics of a kid who was five minutes late for curfew beause the movie got out late; don't tell me they're the same. As the old saying goes, these days any time a Republican points a finger at a Democrat, there's three more fingers pointing back in their direction.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Reid is simply another opportunist. Congress is full of them. They say what they think thier supporters will like to hear. << So then do you believe that reid doesn't actually BELIEVE what he's saying? That perhaps he doesn't think iraq is a hopeless morass? That maybe there IS a military solution to iraq? You're selling the man short. He believes what he says. And so do a majority of americans. The most galling aspect of this whole appropriations bill is how republicans continue to seek to portray it as the democrats failing the troops. Congress passed the appropriations, and bush is the obstructionist who won't sign it. Why? Because he doesn't want to compromise - even a little bit. The benchmarks and timeframes are non-binding, but that doesn't matter one whit to this administration. They don't want ANY oversight, ANY restrictions, ANY tangible evidence that they are operating without the support of the people they represent. And the only people who will believe this empty rhetoric are the dumb ones who believe anything bush says. Who do they think they're kidding?
Originally Posted By friendofdd >>>So then do you believe that reid doesn't actually BELIEVE what he's saying? That perhaps he doesn't think iraq is a hopeless morass? That maybe there IS a military solution to iraq?<<< I think he believes what he is saying. Political opportunists are talented that way. For instance, he did a 180 on illegal immigrants a few years ago. He said the one stance lasted only a few weeks and his wife convinced him otherwise. Opportunism is not partisan. You see it through the political spectrum. Holding office is so important for the rascals that they easily convince themselves thier current stance is right and it is also what their constituency believes. Do you believe he always acts politically out of his conscience?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>The most galling aspect of this whole appropriations bill is how republicans continue to seek to portray it as the democrats failing the troops. Congress passed the appropriations, and bush is the obstructionist who won't sign it. Why? Because he doesn't want to compromise - even a little bit. The benchmarks and timeframes are non-binding, but that doesn't matter one whit to this administration. They don't want ANY oversight, ANY restrictions, ANY tangible evidence that they are operating without the support of the people they represent. << Exactly. They want to keep at this war "as long as it takes" -- no matter what that means. I can't believe after the "thumpin'" they got back in November, the GOP still doesn't get it. I really thought they 'might' start to understand that Americans, by and large, want out of this war yesterday. They're doing nothing different. We're in month 4 of 'the surge'. When is it apropriate to ask if it's working?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>So Senator Reid is beyond criticism?<< Sigh. Can you show me where anyone ever said that?
Originally Posted By DAR Well the tone of the most of the recent posts have been that Senator Reid and the Democrats are right. Which is kind of the same tune Bush and the Republicans were singing at the beginning of the war.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Hm, I didn't notice anyone being called un-American in this thread.
Originally Posted By DAR Senator Reid and the Democrats are certainly not unAmerican. But their statements have every right to be challenged and I feel that isn't the case any more.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka There's a difference between feeling it and being able to prove it. Cheney STILL implies that people who don't agree with the war in Iraq are un-American and support the terrorists.
Originally Posted By DAR And Cheney's an idiot. However there are people in this country who hate it with a passion and want nothing more than defeat.
