Originally Posted By vbdad55 I have been telling people here about how bad a man Emil Jones is - the man who set up Obama with all those accolade assignments in Illinois- and will be expecting his due back in January. Tell me again about what is and what is not a factor in some of the voting blocks. I am not going to debate this as most here are not interested in that either - and I'm not going to put up with some posters deciding to define who I am and where my family falls in this or that. not interested. this is likely just another GOP Rovian trick - ( I'll save you the posts) - but at least read what goes on here. I believe I am one of the few Illinois posters here - so I get this stuff first hand here -- national news will likely gloss over. <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1124667,CST-NWS-dem25.article" target="_blank">http://www.suntimes.com/news/e....article</a> Delegate says Jones called her 'Uncle Tom' 'WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?' | Aldermen heard remark but believe Senate president 'said it in jest' August 25, 2008Recommend (28) BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND DAVE MCKINNEY Staff Reporters Emil Jones denies calling rival "Uncle Tom" More videos » Click to enlarge image Delmarie Cobb, standing outside Mayor Daley’s reception Sunday, is a Chicago political consultant and Clinton delegate. She says Emil Jones (inset) called her an "Uncle Tom." (Mark Bieganski/For the Sun-Times/AP) RELATED STORIES Denver's Playboy bunny McCain team crashing Dem convention DENVER -- A black Hillary Clinton delegate on Sunday accused state Senate President Emil Jones of calling her an "Uncle Tom." Jones -- Barack Obama's political mentor -- denied using the racially loaded slur against Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb, but two aldermen who said they witnessed the Saturday night exchange back up Cobb's account. "Last night, I was called an 'Uncle Tom' by Emil Jones in the lobby of the hotel, right in front of [Ald.] Freddrenna Lyle and [Ald.] Leslie Hairston and [Ald.] Latasha Thomas," said Cobb, a member of Clinton's Illinois Steering Committee. "I walked over to him and asked him, 'What did you just call me?' " The embarrassing flap came on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, which will open tonight with a string of Chicago speakers talking about Obama's life story. Jones is often referred to as Obama's "political godfather.'' Lyle, alderman of the South Side's 6th Ward, said she was standing with Jones when the conversation took place in the lobby of the hotel where the Illinois delegation is staying, but she dismissed it as Jones engaging in harmless banter with someone he knows, although Lyle said she told him, "Emil, that's bad even for you." Another of the aldermen who was standing in the lobby added, "He said it in jest." Cobb has been a high-profile Clinton supporter, and she said she is still paying the price in the African-American community. "If people are still making digs at the Hillary Clinton people because we supported her, that is not going to bring us on board. It makes us feel as though we're outsiders, and we're Democrats," Cobb said. "The litmus test for being black is [seen as] supporting Barack."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Why exactly should I care what someone who is NOT Barack Obama called someone else? It's likely that most of McCain's political mentors are no longer living, but if we found out that one of them called some political rival something untoward, in jest or seriously, why exactly should we care? How does that reflect on McCain if one of his political mentors called a rival an "old so and so" or (considering this would have been a long time ago, and to use the white equivalent) a "negro lover?" Should that make me view McCain himself less well? I am so sick of this guilt by association or "tarnish by association" stuff.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Precisely. This is Rev Wright Redux. Somebody in obama's orbit may have said something untoward, therefore obama has a lack of judgement. Also - like the "N" word, 'uncle tom' (and 'oreo') is a term that may be used more freely by black people within their own culture. It seems less inflammatory when it's "black on black". We also have the less provocative 'RINOs' and 'DINOs' to denote people (such as joe lieberman and zel miller) who are perceived to be straying from the party line. This sounds like much ado about nothing, except there's not very much ado with this one.
Originally Posted By planodisney This is a non-issue! Rev. Wright is a different situation and deserves for people to ponder the importance of Obama choosing this guy to be his pastor.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Rev. Wright is a different situation and deserves for people to ponder the importance of Obama choosing this guy to be his pastor.*** I ponder the importance of anyone choosing anyone to be their pastor, frankly.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If a Republican does something wrong, it's indicative of the corruption or hypocrisy of the whole party. If a Democrat does something wrong, it's an individual tragedy.
Originally Posted By mawnck And if ALL the Republicans get together and do something wrong collectively ...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <This is a non-issue! Rev. Wright is a different situation and deserves for people to ponder the importance of Obama choosing this guy to be his pastor. < Really ? Emil Jones is his acknowledged MENTOR the last 8+ years in Illinois. The guy who gave him his start and threw him all the bones he is nowusing as accomplishments. Emil is due to speak at the convention.Do you know anything about Emil Jones at all ? Or just blow it off because it's Obama? It's news here in Illinois because we know what a scum bag Emil Jones is. And people here know Obama owes him,big time. <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1125763,obamajones082508.article" target="_blank">http://www.suntimes.com/news/p....article</a> Obama disavows comment; Jones issues quasi-apology August 25, 2008Recommend (4) BY DAVE MCKINNEY, ABDON M. PALLASCH AND MARY MITCHELL Staff Reporters DENVER -- Barack Obama on Monday disavowed a racially charged dispute involving his political mentor, Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, as Jones issued a quasi-apology to the Hillary Clinton supporter he allegedly called an "Uncle Tom." "We don't have time for that kind of stuff," Obama told a reporter who asked him about the flap at the Quad Cities Airport in Moline, Ill. "What we need to do is focus on unifying the party to win in November, and that's what I intend to do." Emil Jones is a very bad man my friends - and just blowing it off rather than doing some homework on his relationship with Obama speaks volumes. You will hear alot more from Emil Jones the next 4 years - trust me.
Originally Posted By mawnck Can you please elaborate on this "Barack Obama's political mentor" thing? In what way is this true? Is he Obama's one and only mentor, or just a powerful guy in Chicago politics that gave Obama some plum assignments? Not being confrontational or rhetorical here - I'm seriously asking because I want to know more, and a quick Googling didn't give me anything beyond what's in the articles you posted.
Originally Posted By woody >>Barack Obama on Monday disavowed a racially charged dispute involving his political mentor, Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, as Jones issued a quasi-apology to the Hillary Clinton supporter he allegedly called an "Uncle Tom."<< Can we get beyond this? Let's stop Obama now.
Originally Posted By planodisney So if McCain chose to be a member of a deep south church, where, at times, racially devisive and hateful language was used, democrats would come to his defense and declare that McCain can't be judged on that? Declaring guilt by association is not fair. HELL NO!!! You all would be hammering him to death, but if the person has a D by their name, they get a free pass.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So if McCain chose to be a member of a deep south church, where, at times, racially devisive and hateful language was used, democrats would come to his defense and declare that McCain can't be judged on that?<< If he publicly refuted such language, I most certainly would. Can't speak for anyone else.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>"We don't have time for that kind of stuff," Obama told a reporter who asked him about the flap at the Quad Cities Airport in Moline, Ill. "What we need to do is focus on unifying the party to win in November, and that's what I intend to do."<< So, Obama is being dismissive about his "mentor" here, saying he has much bigger things to focus on. He can spend a week distancing himself, the way he did with Rev. Wright, and still people won't let that go. Or, he can do what he did, and not dignify the ugly comment with a response. It's called the high road. I'd place this one right next to the "how many houses does McCain have" pile of non-starters.
Originally Posted By woody >>So, Obama is being dismissive about his "mentor" here, saying he has much bigger things to focus on.<< Yeah, like winning the election as a uniter. Rolls Eyes.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It is amazing to me, that with all the stuff facing this country now and over the next few years, that much time is wasted looking through this sideshow stuff, instead of focusing on the two candidates actual plans and debating those. Instead, it's how many houses and lapel pins and who is the larger millionaire and what some preacher said. I know it's a crazy notion, but how about judging the candidates by how they plan to approach the war in Iraq, the economy, healthcare, social security, the deficit, the trade imbalance, energy policy.......
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I know it's a crazy notion, but how about judging the candidates by how they plan to approach the war in Iraq, the economy, healthcare, social security, the deficit, the trade imbalance, energy policy.......<< What's that got to do with the Presidency? I thought it was a contest to see which politician has the fewest evil friends.
Originally Posted By woody >>I know it's a crazy notion, but how about judging the candidates by how they plan to approach the war in Iraq, the economy, healthcare, social security, the deficit, the trade imbalance, energy policy.......<< The One has no track record. His whole campaign is his personality and character. He had positions that he used to win the nomination and the positions WERE attractive to the left. If you didn't know Obama largely abandoned his former positions. FISA, Iraq, taxes (slightly), etc. CRAZY is what the Democrats are doing in Denver.
