Originally Posted By YourPalEd Bush chickens out of the debate, and does exactly what he did on 11/2000, 9/11, katrina, and during the many other fiasco's he has caused. He is the sole source of the problems, because of his consistent bad attitude, which is, he exacerbates minor problems to major problem status due to his inaction on any problem. Today, bush's inaction is, to not take up the gauntlet, and debate the irani president on american ideals vs. irani ideals. Instead, a blocking manuever was used by the ignorant republican liars, who control the media corporations, and the irani challenge to compare islam to christianity, has been removed from all american newspapers, all fake news show on tv, all web pages like cnn, and other propaganda controlled outlets. Personally, i would have said yes immediately to the debate, but i would have insisted on the debators wearing suits and ties. Usually, i always wear t-shirts, but a suit and tie, would give a respect to the debate. You see, if george debates him first, it actually is getting something done for america. Even if a war ensues later, america would get the healing process started now. Iran is stalling for time either way. I also guarantee you after the debate, people will say who won, or lost, the debate, according to their party affiliations around the world. So What? So, You did your job is what. I'll be proud of you. America will be proud of you. You can't lose a debate about america, with americans! It doesn't matter what issues the guy brings up that you have kept out of the news. If it's more of your crimes, big deal, we can handle it, we are a big country. I'll call you president if you take this guy up on a debate. I don't need to be mc for me to call you president, even. I will turn on my tv to watch the debate, so you know i am serious. I turned tv on last night to see what you would say, but you said nothing. It doesn't matter if you win or lose the debate, what you win is america's love for standing up for america on all fronts, especially when you don't have all the power, like with words. Sometimes fighting a stronger opponent, and losing, wins the hearts of your fans. But i don't see how you could lose, though i think prepping might be a good idea. Words are important. The days of a non-reader in the white house are limited. All our children i.m., and chat, on line. So, a debate is a good thing. If, later, the irani situation escalates into something like a war, americans won't be so shocked. Americans have been shocked a lot lately, and it is all due, or is tainted by, the lack of communication, during time sensitive situations, by this white house cabal. These criminals, and traitors, have to keep secrets. They hide their crimes withen their paperwork. They are not ceo's, they are embezzlers. They try to hide it, but bush rushs out of the church. he can't wait to get out of the place. But he still has a job to do, or at least a job he has stolen, to supposedly do. His cowardly handlers are telling him this bad advice, "Block the debate out of the news, and maybe people will forget about it. They have so many other problems we have created for them, and our fan base is ignorant, and iliterate republican liars anyway, so why bother?" Yep, this republican cabal of traitors won't debate, because all their power comes from preying on the ignorant, non thinking, prejudiced republicans. Which is why they picked an iliterate drunk like bush to represent them, they are appealing to the iliterate drunk vote, which happens to be huge in america. Me i never was one. I was a literate drunk. The media, all they can do now, under the orders of bush, is to lie. They use the truth only when they can use it to lie. That's all a traitor knows how to do, keep undercover. They keep lying, and try to stay undercover, waiting for their next orders to attack america. That's all they know how to do, stay on mission, and bush stays on mission. It's like the irani president, by actually caring about his country, is far more dangerous than any bomb. By setting the example for americans about what a REAL leader is, this iraini president has proven again how defenseless america really is with a traitor, like bush, occupying time the white house. The irani president is now stronger, and america weaker, with lower defenses, because of bush the coward, not answering his challenge. Bush is no leader, he is a do nothing. No, wait, he does do one thing, he let's america's entire infrastructure fall apart. He does it on purpose, because it's easier to embezzle that way. He blocks information, and he doesn't care that america's defenses are gone. Without the flow of honest information, and true, not bush tainted, scientific facts, america will not survive with this government structure, not for very long. The known traitor, george bush, has tainted everything that once was true. If the guy wants to tell the truth, or lie doesn't matter to me at this point, what matters to me is, george bush standing up to this irani guy, and debating him for america, instead of being the coward bush has grown accustomed to being. By not debating, george bush, proves to the world, all republicans are cowards, and ignorant. George's inability to defend us is what has been made clear. Bush's inability to defend america is because he actual does not like, or care, about america, he only wants to rob it. Bush identifies with the common illegal alien, who is coming to america to take advantage of the rich. He identifies with illegal aliens, because it is his philosophy too: Care about no one but yourself, and take what you can from any rich gringo. Only a lying coward, who doesn't care about america, wouldn't attempt to defend it first in words. Words, no bombs, just words, what could be more intelligent and proof of an advanced culture? Nothing! Can you imagine bush debating? I can, and i see him winning the debate. Instead of acting like a fool, and refusing to respond, instead, bush should debate. We could see bush, laughing, and confident. He could be laughing in the irani president's face and calling him an idiot, if he doesn't believe the holocost was real. Which of course it was. The holocost was real. The evidence is everywhere. Everyone knows bush is a liar, and a war monger. Everyone in the world knows bush has failed and caused ever world wide economic, and social problem in the world today. The known traitor, george bush, is responsible, he is a coward, who does nothing but hides. George bush needs to stand up and debate the irani president. Instead, like a cartoon ostrich, george bush defends america from it's fears, by sticking his head in a hole in the ground, so that he won't see the danger coming, so he can lie later, and say he didn't see it coming, even though he knew it was. "Bring it ON!!! What a debate? i er,,,mean...oh i am so afraid, i want my mommie." What a great leader we have. No wonder americans are so happy proud, and fearless.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Ed, if you ever do decide to return to work and get one of those W-2 things again....supermarket tabloids is your future. I kept wondering what some of these posts reminded me of....then today it hit me....
Originally Posted By YourPalEd It's easier to work for fox. The republican party has all the news stories written for you already.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd But thanks vbdad55. Anyone who thinks i have a place in this american society is fine by me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Wouldn't it be giving Amedinejad an undue amount of credit to meet his debate challenge? Wouldn't the debate wind up edited beyond all recognition in the middle east? What good would a televised debate like this do? It would simply be a propaganda tool for Iran, and a platform for Amedinejad to go off on one of his stemwinders about how evil the US and Israel are. The whole 'I challenge you to a debate' schtick is a ploy, nothing more.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <It's easier to work for fox. The republican party has all the news stories written for you already.< what's funny here in Chicago is the local Fox affiliate news station is as far from the right as possible...even their main political commentator is decidely left , bordering on far left.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <But thanks vbdad55. Anyone who thinks i have a place in this american society is fine by me< everyone has a place...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The whole 'I challenge you to a debate' schtick is a ploy, nothing more.>> I disagree. I think Amedinejad is an egomaniac who truly believes he has the answer for the world's problems. His answer is pretty simple, and would probably work. The United States should get out of the Middle East where no one really wants them anyway. I can support that. The next one is the tougher nut to crack. He would want the U.S. to drop support for Israel which in the long term would lead to the elimination of Israel as a country. We of course we can't do that. But I believe if we tied our withdrawal from the Middle East to the establishment of a Palastinian state and subsequent peace with Israel it might actually work. But of course it will never happen.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The Fox affiliate here in San Francisco (Channel 2) is known for outstanding, balanced news coverage. Their presentation is the same as it has been for years -- low key, without the usual TV news graphics overkill. I was worried when they became a Fox station tat they might lose some of that, but i think they have left it pretty much intact. If you didn't know it was a Fox station, you'd never make the connection between the local Channel 2 10'OClock News and Fox News Channel. Perhaps they decided long ago to leave what works in local markets alone?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <We of course we can't do that. But I believe if we tied our withdrawal from the Middle East to the establishment of a Palastinian state and subsequent peace with Israel it might actually work. But of course it will never happen. < I disagree in that as long as Israel is there in the M/E - there willnot be peace. And if as someone suggsted they move it (sigh) - then the individual groups of muslims will continue figthing each other for power..I am not trying to be rude on this, but I think it is a way of life there for so long, that us withdrawing is not going to change that in the long run.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The Fox affiliate here in San Francisco (Channel 2) is known for outstanding, balanced news coverage. Their presentation is the same as it has been for years -- low key, without the usual TV news graphics overkill. I was worried when they became a Fox station tat they might lose some of that, but i think they have left it pretty much intact. If you didn't know it was a Fox station, you'd never make the connection between the local Channel 2 10'OClock News and Fox News Channel. Perhaps they decided long ago to leave what works in local markets alone?< see our FOX local news here is hard to watch on several levels -- it is an 'in your face' - highly charged, "if it bleeds, it leads' station, with the extreme left slant to it's politics. So much so some of it's best personalities - some Chicago icons - have been forced out or left. None of these people were conservatives in nature or really even close, but weren't as slanted in their opinions oas others -- Walter Jacobson here would be a perfect example. I mean Chicago has been a Democratic sity since 20 years before I was born..but the reporting had always been fair and not sensationalistic, which just doesn't play well for most. the appeal for FOX local here is definitely the Springer crowd for the sensationalism...and those who want nothing but negative commentary on most everything
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I did not have cable/sattelite ( un- American I know) until about 18 months ago...I just could never justify as we do not watch that much TV in the house - my kids are always out and on the go - between sports and school - and most of the sports I wanted to watch was on network or local... I was shocked to find out there was a difference bwteen FOX national and local -- and FOX national and CNN. When traveling on business I would always watch CNN ... and call me naive I guess but I never knew of the slant differences between CNN and FOX national onthe same story... I feel I was so uninformed... I read the Chicago Tribune and the WSJ and thought I had all I needed.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Wouldn't it be giving Amedinejad an undue amount of credit to meet his debate challenge?>>> No, it shows how he isn't considered a real threat, but just another human being, and as americans we allow everyone in the world to have a say, before we kill them. <<<Wouldn't the debate wind up edited beyond all recognition in the middle east?>>> It will be live to the world, so everyone with a vcr to a harddrive, could record it, and make snippets with their views later. This right there is a reason to do it. Americans have the advantage of practically everyone in america can not only see it, but record it and view it, and think about it. Iranis will be more limited. Sort of the same problem the republicans are having because of their assumed need to censor their constituency. But the irani's will do it anyway, debate or no debate. Call their bluff, then get them to stop their atomic nono's, now. They are begging you too. It is called a symbiotic relationship. You gain and so does your enemy. More sauce for the goose, i think capt. spock said in star trek ii. I suggest watching, el cid, wiht charlton heston. Pretty good stuff, about leadership. <<<What good would a televised debate like this do?>>> Communication is seen by intellectuals of america, as a good thing, not a bad thing. By debating your enemy you will also crystalize, or at least attempt to crystalize, the concepts which are causing the problem. When discussing the aclu and it's position with a republican, i will not read a rush link ever. If you are serious about some issue with the aclu, i want a link to their web page so i can read it myself, and then read your comments, and views, so i can decide honestly, what's what. I mean it's great publicity, and if you are ever going to get your ideas into iran, now will be the time. They even released a dissedent they called a liberal, so i guess iran doesnt like liberals either. Not good enough for their jails, hee hee. Maybe we could insist on setting up tv's with iranian translators, insisting on a live feed, but you know they are going to support their leader no matter what. <<<It would simply be a propaganda tool for Iran, and a platform for Amedinejad to go off on one of his stemwinders about how evil the US and Israel are.>>> Yes, but not debating, gives amedinejad more proof that he is right, and bush is a coward. It won't be his game, it will be our game, but it's not a game is the point. Who cares about iran, i'm thinking of what a great propaganda tool it would be for america, and a platform for bush to discuss his ideas when he comes back home. I'll talk proudly about him facing one of his fears, and i will learn to do the same with mine. At least he will have tried. That is the only way he can start to be taken seriously again. <<<The whole 'I challenge you to a debate' schtick is a ploy, nothing more.>>> I disagree, a ploy maybe, but much more. We have been attacked in the communication age. Maybe in the past, when debate was limited to tv media, with out videotape, then it would have been considered a ploy, and we could block them from tv, and ignore them. But now we are digital. Everything can be recorded and studied if you want to, and everything is. Look at us here on world events, that's all we do all day is debate. What the heck is wrong with debate, unless you've already decided you are a sharlatan and a loser. I want a leader! By daring a debate, Amedinejad is telling america, he is honest and george bush is not. He has nothing to hide and everyone in the world can decide for themselfs. You can record him on that, and replay it over and over if you like. Now, everyone knows we have been dared. It's too late to retreat, we have been attacked. I think the debate, would also teach us about our differences, while other americans will gain masses of information on their perceived enemies. Remember, the last time with iraq? Bush cut off all debate and discussion, and declared iraq to have wmd's, before declared war on them. That didn't work very well with anyone, and no one is happy. This time try a debate first. It will make you feel much more justified, if you do, heaven forbid, have to bomb them later, and accidentally kill some civilians.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Oh really, your fox news is balanced? Tell me, what did they say about the known traitor, george bush being impeached in localities across america? What stories have they shown about the many great americans wanting to meet with cindy sheehan, intellectuals, and pacifists alike to thank her for her efforts? Do they let senator feinstein make a comment every night, or have you gotten a comment from any democrat in the last 5 years? Is any comment by any democrat allowed, even? Most times now they tell you what the democrat said, instead of showing it. Usually they do that after showing a clip of the president lying and saying the opposite of what you know to be true. They give only the liars screen time, and none to honest americans. Only occasionally do they mention democrats, but only after twisting around what they say, by shading words, that make honest attitudes seem less respectable. They love to tell you senator barbara boxer supported joe liberman, but they censor out of your channel the fact, that after he lost, she went for ned lamont, and supports the democrat 100 percent. They prefered to lie and make it seem like she still supported the, now exposed, republican traitor, liberman, yuck! The known traitor, joe liberman. It was obvious to me. I told everyone he was a traitor, and a plant back in 11/2000, but my ideas were censored out of the media, along with the fact bush lost the election badly, and the electorate vote is still not legal, since florida never was allowd to choose their electorates according to the united states constitution. A fact also being censored out of your oh so propagandistic fox news. They are criminals due to their censorship, they have cause millions of people to suffer by their blocking of the truth. Voter fraud was being declared by honest republicans in every state. Did you ever hear their story about bush crimes on fox? I think not. The fact that george bush lost overwhelmingly on 11/2000, has not been discussed. Instead your fair news channel fox abetted the crime of voter fraud. During the time sensitive election, they placed a, known to be false, news story with, john bolton, and a group of hired protestors, fake protestors to demand a stop of the recount. This is a federal crime, i believe. The known traitor, john bolton, broke racketeering laws, federal laws, by crossing state lines to stop the vote count. He was under the orders of rove and cheney, to do this, which means they are guilty of voter fraud. But i don't believe this was mentioned on your channels. They showed republican after republican liar, and traitors trying to force their criminal into the white house. They cut off all democrats. Not one was allowed on the tv, not one. Not one democrat was allowed to refute the evidence, because bush was guilty, he lost the election badly, but he had already promised his employers a war. Cheney caught selling out americas secret agents, lets promote the ignorant ronald reagan. Instead they showed a week of the pathetic sellout, ronald reagan's funeral. Remember how selling real estate to foreign interests became a joke under reagan? What was that movie about the japanese taking over a former ford michigan auto plant? The one directed by ron howard, with michael keaton in it? Half of los angeles was sold to the japanese thanks to deals garnered by reagan. Of course god was displeased and sent an earthquake, but that's another story.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd This is a golden opportunity. It would go down as a world event! A think a debate with iran would give us the opportunity to express ourselves fully also, with all our pomp, and brain washing. America has nothing to lose and all to gain. You could go down in the history books as the great debator. While that might seem farcical at first, since we know you barely read, i will support it to my dying day as the truth, because it would mean your intentions are peace, and not war.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<We of course we can't do that. But I believe if we tied our withdrawal from the Middle East to the establishment of a Palastinian state and subsequent peace with Israel it might actually work.>> RT, you are wrong here. The Muslims don't care about the Palastinians or some bogus occupation lie. What they want is for Israel to wiped off the ace of the Earth and for jews to die. It's that simple. You also said we should leave the M.E. and that would cause things to be better. If that is the case, how do you explain Muslim bombs going off all over the world. Are they bombing Bali and Spain because we are in the Middle East? I have asked you this before.
