Originally Posted By DAR <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571349/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22 571349/</a> This was a complete government failure no doubt about that. However there is no way that any of these people deserve anymore of our sympathy.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Well, to be fair, one person is suing for $3 quadrillion (why not $4 quadrillion, or just a measly $1 quadrillion??? How did they decide on 3???), so that sort of throws things out of whack.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Anyone want to keep count on how many anti-government links we're going to see from DAR since he's on this kick?
Originally Posted By jonvn 'Either respond to the article or don't at all.' I responded to your post. Now you can respond to mine. Are you an anarchist?
Originally Posted By DAR <<Anyone want to keep count on how many anti-government links we're going to see from DAR since he's on this kick?>> Well it's only been one today. I'm dead set against these people getting one penny. So actually I'm with the governmment on this one. <<Are you an anarchist?>> I'm in favor of the government staying out the way of the people and letting them live their own lives as long as the people don't hurt anyone in the process. We know what's best for us not them I'm also in favor of the government showing economic restraint. Which doesn't fall under anarchy it fall under libertarianism
Originally Posted By gadzuux I've got a question - why are the people of the gulf coast "undeserving" of our sympathy? What's that about?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I've got a question - why are the people of the gulf coast "undeserving" of our sympathy? What's that about?<< Because the people in the lower-ninth ward (one of the poorest areas in America) didn't load up their SUV with trail mix and bottled water and head out to grandma's in Nashville, DUH! Don't you realize it's just that simple?
Originally Posted By DAR No it's a matter of suing for a sum of money that is impractical and frankly quite idiotic. If it was that each person/family suing would get 150,000 or somewhere around there that would be fine.
Originally Posted By Mr X **This was a complete government failure no doubt about that.** **However there is no way that any of these people deserve anymore of our sympathy.** These two sentences seem totally incongruous. Also, it seems you are angry only about the AMOUNT they are suing for? Not the fact they are suing at all? I'd hope so, at least, since you claim there's no doubt it was a "complete government failure". Well, you seem to think the amount they are asking for is outrageous, and sure that's true but I'm certain it's a lawyering technique, asking for xyz in the hopes of getting def or better. But let's think about YOUR sum for a second. $150,000. Why that, in particular? Because it would be a nice tidy sum for you personally (me too, actually)? Maybe not, for a wealthier family who lost assets in excess of a million though, right? Or how about a family that lost 3 kids? Are they worth $50,000 a piece or something? How do you put a price tag on something like that? The answer is, you don't. And if you're seeking compensation you're going to want to get the maximum amount possible. It's a battle, not a charity contest. The government isn't going to part with one penny unless they're forced to through the courts.
Originally Posted By Mr X As for the quadrillion thing, yeah that's just stupid. And if I were the judge in that case, I'd consider locking up the parties concerned for bringing forth a legal effort to bankrupt the United States Government. I'm sure a case could be made for attempted treason.
Originally Posted By Mr X **I'm dead set against these people getting one penny.** How could that be, since you also claim a "complete government failure"? Seriously dude, sometimes you make no sense at all!
Originally Posted By Mr X **The corps released zip codes, but no names, for the 247 claims of at least $1 billion. The list includes a $77 billion claim by the city of New Orleans. Fourteen involve a wrongful death claim. Fifteen were filed by businesses, including several insurance companies.** See, now...there's more to the story (surprise, surprise!). Some of these complainents are businesses, and sure I could see some larger insurance companies being harmed to the tune of multi-millions based on the governments' admitted neglect. In any case, Dar, your arbitrary figure of $150,000 is just as stupid as the quadrillion thing really. Even the lowest poverty-stricken wage earner could have been capable of making that much over the course of several years. That's part of the way they justify these figures after all. And to just say "hey, insurance company...you've lost billions and you're done for, but hey, here's a check for a hundred and fifty grand", what the heck good is THAT at all? Duh.
Originally Posted By Mr X That's the point, though. You can't just "throw a number" out there, every case is different. And your outrage regarding the high amounts sought (the silly quadrillion thing aside), might just be misplaced when you think about it from the perspective of people and businesses who lost so much through the fault of the government.
Originally Posted By DAR <<That's the point, though. You can't just "throw a number" out there, every case is different.>> It's called being faceitious
Originally Posted By DAR Here let me revise my previous statement to your liking: If it was that each person/family suing would get say 150,000, it's just a number not feasible, but for the sake of argument let's just go with that. There is that better.
Originally Posted By Mr X Okay then, why is your number any more or less "feasible" than what's being asked? You haven't addressed the fact that some of the litigants are businesses, and even in one case the city itself.
