Originally Posted By TMI I must admit, "President Christ" has a pretty cool ring to it... <a href="http://www.votingforjesus.com" target="_blank">http://www.votingforjesus.com</a>
Originally Posted By utahjosh From the article: "If Mitt Romney is elected, he will be the fulfillment of his cult's polygamist, pedophile, racist, con artist, murdering founder Joseph Smith's "White Horse" prophecy that Romney and all Mormon's believe. That prophecy says that the United States will facing great economic and social unrest, a Mormon will be elected President, declare a national emergency and set aside the US Constitution and enact a Mormon theocracy. That may sound impossible, but ever since he was at BYU, Romney was called by his inner circle "the chosen one" to fulfill their cult's prophecy." HA HA HA HA HA HA ha.....Oh man, this stuff is priceless. Sounds like an episode of South Park.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I know!!! Maybe the Mormons can take all the dead people they've baptized against their will and move them to Chicago. They can register them to vote, and then vote early and often!!! 'Cuz, ya know, they do it all the time there, all that voter fraud and all.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Oh man, this stuff is priceless.>> Are you seriously going to deny that Joseph Smith was not most of these things? He had multiple wives. Check for polygamy. Some of his wives were young teenaged girls. Check for pedophile. Black men weren't allowed to become priests in his new church. Check for racist. He claimed to receive communication directly from god through seer stones he kept in his hat. Check for con artist. The only one I don't find evidence for, is murderer. But maybe others have greater knowledge of Smith than I do. As for the White Horse prophecy... yeah, it exists. Romney may or may not ascribe to it. Probably not, since that would be too much work and Mitt is lazy. That's why he's a vulture capitalist. Businessmen who work hard to build companies from the ground up ain't Mitt's style. He wants the easy way out. So does Ann "This is hard!" Romney. They're both privileged spoiled rich brats who would make George W and Laura Bush look like Presidential workaholics.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder utahjosh is so full of fairy tales he is blinded by the truth. It's quite sad. Fixed it. And skinner is female.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Are you seriously going to deny that Joseph Smith was not most of these things?<< Sigh. Yes. Well, in this context, yes. What's the saying, if you start with a false premise, everything that follows makes perfect sense, it's just wrong? Mitt Romney won't be fulfilling anything. Yet again, there's 1,001 reasons not to vote for Mitt, but this ain't it. polygamist = yes, but now long abandoned. In fact, there might be nothing Mormons fear more than being tied to polygamy. pedophile = almost certainly not. Yeah, he married a fourteen year old and a sixteen year old, which I have serious issues with. Being a pervert doesn't equal pedophilia, and there's no evidence Joseph had a thing for pre-teen children. racist = no. He ordained black men to the priesthood; the racist was his successor, Brigham Young, who instituted the priesthood ban. con artist = oversimplified. Was Joseph making it up? I think so. Did he know he was making it up? Probably, but trickier. Trickier still is that don't con artists usually get something? Joseph got followers, but was never rich or even stable. Oh, and there was that whole "got murdered" thing. murderer = no evidence. Instead, this paragraph reads like the most sensational charges against Mormonism made over a two century period condensed into one ignorant screed. That is all. Vote Obama.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <There is still an LDS sect or two that believes in polygamy.> Yes, but they really have nothing to do with the LDS church any longer. They are a tiny group of people not connected with the worldwide LDS church.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Yes, but they really have nothing to do with the LDS church any longer. They are a tiny group of people not connected with the worldwide LDS church.>> Sorry, but you of all people should not be judging those Mormons in that fashion. LDS claims to be a Christian church, even when the majority of Christian denominations do not recognize it as such. So where do you or Salt Lake or anyone else get off telling these polygamist sects that they aren't Mormons? Sorry, but the door swings both ways. Just as Mormons have every right to pronounce themselves as Christians, those polygamist sects have every right to pronounce themselves as Mormons, whether or not Salt Lake approves. And the only reason Salt Lake disapproves of these people is the polygamy. It has everything to do with the greater public image and acceptance of Mormons overall, and nothing else.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Geez, skinner, you are totally off base. It's really sad to see your energy and zeal wasted this way.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Geez, skinner, you are totally off base.<< No, she's not. That was a completely spot-on statement.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I disagree. The statement isn't spot-on. Being "Christian" means you follow Christ, and could be one of many denominations. If these small off-shoots of the LDS church wish to call themselves Mormons, they can. I don't know if they do. If they read the book of Mormon, then hey, call them whatever they want. However, they are not part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with Thomas S. Monson as the president. The one with nearly 14 million members. They don't claim to be the above. If they did, I'd have a problem with it. It's not the same. I'm not claiming to be a Catholic because I read the bible. I claim to be a Christian. The polygamists groups are NOT members of my church. They do share some of my past.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Basically, there isn't a word that describes anyone who believes in the Book of Mormon, like Christian for those who believe in the New Testament. "Mormon" has come to describe member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer My understanding is that Mormon describes the mainstream LDS and the sects that split off from it like the FLDS, as distinct from the RLDS/Community of Christ that split from the LDS early on. They have their own fundamentalists/re-organized sects that split off from them.
