Originally Posted By patrickegan A centralized location to openly blaming George Bush for Barrack Obama's political shortcomings ...
Originally Posted By patrickegan Do I even have to tell you who's fault it is for the typo? blame for blaming
Originally Posted By SuperDry Can someone identify where in the noise machine this is coming from? Every few months there tend to be a cluster of these types of posts, and they almost certainly are coming from someone in the noise machine using the line frequently in the past week or so to distract from whatever actual issue of they day is that they don't want to discuss.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The GOP has failed to produce one viable presidential candidate so this is the kind of trip that results.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Do I even have to tell you who's fault it is for the typo?>> I would say yours, since you obviously meant to type "whose" instead of "who's."
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Of course it's not all GWB's fault- however nor is he even close to blameless. The off shoring of jobs started with CLinton - increased with zero attention though the GWB era and remains untouched by Obama... there are some members of Congress you can blame for the entire period though.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "The GOP has failed to produce one viable presidential candidate so this is the kind of trip that results." when I heard Newt was gaining in the polls this morning I had this same though SPP-- it's really sad because I still believe Barack has the same shortcomings I pointed out when he ran based on his roles here in Illinois previously. Here's basically who I thought he was ( to steal a line fro Denny Green) But someone needs to show me someone better right now...and I just don't see it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The thought occurs to me- not an original one, but one that needs to be slammed home until the elections- Conservatives can try and be smug and snarky and make threads like this one and the one about GE profits and mention Guantanomo's still not closed and whatever the hell else they bring up, but it's all hypocritical bullsh--. Here's the main theme that needs to be pounded home. Obama, for better or worse, has TRIED to put forth programs, TRIED to act on his promises, TRIED to work with the GOP to the point where his proposals mimic the sainted Reagan, but when from the outset of Obama's presidency the GOP's leadership states that their sole goal is to ensure Obama looks bad and is not re-elected, rather than work with him and serve their own constituencies, to the point where they're voting against their own ideas because HE brought them forward, THEY need to be asked what THEY'VE done to try and help this country rather than their own power hungry self-interests. They cannot say they voted him down because his programs are socialist, or whatever false label they want to stick on them, because they're killing their own damn policies. That's the basic question- what have THEY tried to do constructively? What have they done besides just saying no? Answer: not a damn freaking thing.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox No one ever gets the perfect candidate of their choice. It's always about voting for the lesser of two evils, at least for most voters. As for President Obama... he is no where near progressive enough for me. But I fully realize that in my lifetime, no one will ever hold the White House who's significantly left of center. And until we get money out of politics and abolish the electoral college, we'll be stuck with a significant percentage of Presidents who are mostly right of center, who got into office through the actions of well-heeled corporations and billionaire-funded SuperPACs. The GOP is now experiencing the same candidate crisis the Dems dealt with in 2004 with Kerry. I held my nose and voted for him -- anyone would have been better than W -- but he certainly wasn't my preferred candidate. Truthfully, I didn't have one. Now the Republicans know what that feels like.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<That's the basic question- what have THEY tried to do constructively? What have they done besides just saying no? Answer: not a damn freaking thing.>> Exactly, SPP. Whenever someone here challenges a conservative poster's talking points about the Dems failing and Obama failing and their "Where are the jobs, Mr President?" rhetorical nonsense by pointing out that Speaker Boehner has introduced ZERO job bills since the Republicans took back control of the House, the discussion grinds to halt and/or the subject gets changed and/or the progressive poster is personally attacked. Before last November's election, any time someone challenged the GOP talking points, it was met with the sharp retort, "We don't control Washington. You Dems control the House and the Senate." Well... you guys control the House now. Where are the jobs bills? WHERE ARE THEY? Why isn't Speaker Boehner doing what he said he would do when he ran for re-election last year? "We'll get the country back to work again, if you do the patriotic thing by sending Nancy Pelosi packing." OK, my Rep is no longer Speaker of the House. Your guy is the Speaker. WHERE ARE THE FREAKIN JOBS BILLS THAT BOEHNER PROMISED US LAST NOVEMBER?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I would say yours, since you obviously meant to type "whose" instead of "who's."<< I blame the Tea Party's continuing literacy implosion on GWB. No child left behind. We'll work to make sure EVERYBODY is as dumb as a sack of hammers. He misspelled Barack too. Typical.
Originally Posted By dshyates Reagan started this mess with his trickle up tax code, Bill Clinton threw fuel on the fire with NAFTA and Gramm-Leach-Bliley. And Bush cut taxes while starting 2 wars. A lot of those things are not directly related to each other, what they all have in common is we were we were running our economic engine up to the redline. Bush just happened to be the guy holding the hot potato when it went off. Now, I will agree that Obama hasn't fixed everything. But let's not pretend he was the one that blew up the engine. And I don't believe for a second the a McCain administration would have done any better at putting it back together. More tax cuts and deregulation is what got us there in the first place.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I blame all of Washington but then that's just me. >>> Does that include the portion that you sent there (assuming that you voted for at least one of your Senators or your Congressman)?
Originally Posted By mawnck Obama just announced that he'll veto (almost) any attempt to undo the automatic cuts. Goppers are either wetting their pants or pretending it isn't happening. Go to your favorite Conservative website and check it out. It's a hoot!
