Originally Posted By jonvn Well, he's not releasing information on global warming. Like he's supposed to. Since his daughter is getting married, you might think that he'd be a bit concerned over the welfare of his children, and that the fetal alcohol syndrome they are likely to have is not going to be made any better by the environmental disaster he is doing absolutely everything to keep from the public. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/22/MN97RMND9.DTL" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/22/MN97RMND9.DTL</a>
Originally Posted By wahooskipper You know what is worse than the President "breaking the law"? Congress sitting back and watching without doing anything about it.
Originally Posted By ecdc Uh, how is that worse? It's not great - no question. But worse? Don't think so.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, in your opinion he is one man breaking the law. In my opinion you have 535 other people who are witnessing the lawbreaking and aren't doing anything about it. They are, in effect, co-conspirators...or at least thoughtless bystanders.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>They are, in effect, co-conspirators...or at least thoughtless bystanders.<< This is, of course, far more complex than the last episode of Seinfeld where Jerry, George, Kramer, and Elaine stood by while a man was carjacked. The moment Congress moves for impeachment or tries other options to reign in the President, they'll be called everything in the book by conservatives. They'll be accused of just playing politics, of not being patriotic, of wanting us to lose in Iraq, of being divisive instead of getting work done, etc., etc. Today, people look back on Watergate and there's a tendency to think everyone was united and against Nixon. Even when it couldn't have been more obvious that Nixon was guilty, and John Dean had spilled the beans, the decision to impeach was still largely split along party lines in the House Judiciary Committee. It was a very political process, with Republicans demonizing Democrats - and that was with the tapes *proving* Nixon was up to no good. It wasn't until the final tapes that his fate was sealed. I have no doubt that 30 years from now, Americans will have that same amnesia, and forget how nasty Republicans were to Democrats who despised Bush, and we'll all be on the same page for just what a terrible President he was.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I am so ashamed of the last 7 years of American history. Very very ashamed.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I have no doubt that 30 years from now, Americans will have that same amnesia, and forget how nasty Republicans were to Democrats who despised Bush, and we'll all be on the same page for just what a terrible President he was.>> Do I offer my opinion by saying with the low approval ratings of both the President AND Congress; we'll realize just what a terrible time this was for American politics in general? \ Yeah I think will politicially we are just a mess. And ecdc I know you don't like this, but both parties are to blame. This happened long before Bush got into office and sadly it's going to continue long after. <<I am so ashamed of the last 7 years of American history. Very very ashamed.>> I'm never ashamed of my country. NEVER.
Originally Posted By jonvn Sometimes you should be. Germans after WWII deserved to be ashamed, and they were. When your country does things that are bad, that is something to be ashamed of. I don't think we've done that, but Iraq really borders on it if not crosses the line.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I am regularly ashamed by the leaders of our country...on both sides of the aisle...but do not extend that shame to the nation as a whole.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Let's see - 2000 election debacle, Iraq, New Orlean's mess, Crime escalation, issues about environmental degredation, cash for Oil. Like it or not, a government is representative of it's people - I mean 2000 I thought was scandalous, but for him to win again in 2004 - OMG!!!. I cannot think of many great things that have come out of America in the last 7 years (except for Entertainment) compared to other epochs in modern history. America is in a decline. And as someone who is proud of their American heritage, it makes me very sad. America is a once great nation, but sadly many people buy in to the propaganda. There is a lot to be proud of, and I know I never have a dry eye when I sit through the American Adventure. But I wish our fellow Americans would wake up and smell the coffee that America is not THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD anymore. It is one of many great nations, and could have the power to be the greatest again. But I am actually very ashamed about a number of things my country has done of late.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Sometimes you should be. Germans after WWII deserved to be ashamed, and they were. >> Nothing we've done in the last 60 years can even compare to what Germany did back then. I will concede that the first 200 hundred years of having slaves was abhorrent.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad To the OP Itt's rediculous for you to try and connect global warming and fetal alcohol syndrome. And you don't expect me to believe you care about her or her unborn child. Pfffft Personally I couldn't care less about global warning... No wait, I care as much as Al "do as I say, not as I do" Gore!
Originally Posted By mele Until people become truly ashamed of the things that are happening in this country, nothing is going to change.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Since his daughter is getting married, you might think that he'd be a bit concerned over the welfare of his children>> The offsppring of the wealthy and mighty will be shielded from any adverse effects that unwashed might have to endure (and I'm not just talking about global warming).
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<But I wish our fellow Americans would wake up and smell the coffee that America is not THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD anymore. >> While I don't disagree with you, it is funny how millions of people sneak in illegaly every year.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Indeed, but that's why I said it's one of the greatest. We have the same issue here in the UK, as does Australia and South America. Illegal immigration does not just affect the US. Also, the US is not the worst, not by any stretch. But a superpower should lead by example. Sadly the example set in recent times is not great.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad The rich offspring are shielded? Pffft LOL Most of your so called unwashed should have paid attention in school and should have chosen something other than the easy lazy loser career path.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I am not excusing some of the things that have occured by any stretch here- but does the US not contribute more assistance - people and money - across the globe than any other country ? Is that not leading by example also ? If the US was that evil- and pulled all of this money and resource - there would be a lot more hurt out there, let's give some credit where credit is due also. Again, this in no way makes up for some other very poor global decisions and their impact - but let's not overlook them either.
