Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11064769" target="_blank">http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11064769</a> >>California's Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) confirmed Monday that it will investigate allegations that the LDS Church failed to report non-monetary contributions to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign.<<
Originally Posted By dlkozy As it should be. I am glad that when there is a complaint that the FPPC will look into it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder This has a chance to be interesting. You wonder if the direction to their members to get involved will be interpreted as them acting as the church's agents.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt In the end they'll probably conclude that the Church did not act inappropriately, as usual. Still, I think it's great that the FPPC is putting some fire under this organization.
Originally Posted By Mr F GOOD! They need to fork over the tax dollars like the rest of us. I wonder what UtahJosh is going to say about this.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm going to say that the LDS Church needs to obey the law. If they've not handled things correctly, then they will need to pay the $5,000 fine or whatever, and they'll probably not make the same mistakes again. But i'm guessing the church did not intentially make any such mistake. They issued a statement that they "fully complied with the reporting requirements of the California Political Reform Act" and that "any investigation would confirm the church's full compliance with applicable law."
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin But you're not going to admit that they have violated the separation of church and state. And you are not going to even mention the part about an entity headquatered in one state influencing politics in another state.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder From the link: "Karger, a retired political consultant, alleged in his complaint that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints failed to report money invested to organize phone banks, send out direct mailers, provide transportation to California, mobilize a speakers bureau, send out satellite simulcasts and develop Web sites as well as numerous commercials and video broadcasts." Not to mention enlisting people like utahjosh and elderp to populate websites like this and spread propganda.
Originally Posted By dlkozy ^^^ I guess that one could say that you and other LPers that were No on 8ers populate websites such as this and spread your propaganda as well. The FPPC gets hundreds of complaints every year about one thing or another. I am glad that there is an agency to complain to.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I'm going to say that the LDS Church needs to obey the law. If they've not handled things correctly, then they will need to pay the $5,000 fine or whatever, and they'll probably not make the same mistakes again.*** A mistake? Is that what you guys are calling a crime these days?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "^^^ I guess that one could say that you and other LPers that were No on 8ers populate websites such as this and spread your propaganda as well." We didn't lie and we weren't recruited by the Mormons, either.
Originally Posted By dlkozy ^^^I beg to differ-that commercial that No put out with the missionaries in it was a lie and a scare tactic-desperate measure.
Originally Posted By Mr X Exactly. We were recruited by the gays! (hey Passholder, did you opt for a monthly cheque, or did you go with direct deposit?)
Originally Posted By Mr X The missionary commercial wasn't a lie at all. Not sure how it was a "scare tactic" either, since basically it was just ripping on them and making them look like fools. So, I'd go with "in bad taste" maybe. But hardly a lie and CERTAINLY not a scare tactic. I'll agree with desperate though. Very McCain-ish move on their part.
Originally Posted By dlkozy Answer: For example, missionaries don't go into someone's home and rummage through their things-that's a lie that the commercial portrayed. And as for who looked like a fool-it was the No campaign that put the commercial out there to begin with.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***For example, missionaries don't go into someone's home and rummage through their things-that's a lie that the commercial portrayed.*** Artistic portrayal. They accurately portrayed EXACTLY what the Mormons intended to do, there's no lie there. If they showed the Mormons actually forcing the couple to break up, or took them to jail or something, THAT'S a lie. It's ridiculous that you are so obtuse you can't see this for what it is. It's not a lie, that's just silly. ***And as for who looked like a fool-it was the No campaign that put the commercial out there to begin with.*** I thought it was funny, myself. But then again, it's always funny when people rip on Mormons. They're just funny.
Originally Posted By dlkozy X for someone that spends HOURS every week blathering on and on about 1 thing or another one would think that you could come up with a different tune. You are consistently trollish and always looking for a fight-get a life.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "You are consistently trollish and always looking for a fight..." Talk about pot calling kettle black! LOL.
Originally Posted By Mr X Why the personal attack, kozy? You make ridiculous statements, people refute them. That's how it works.
