Originally Posted By Donny With many people in World Events saying Tea Party members are raciest I wondered how you felt about the ever increasing popularity with the Tea Party ?
Originally Posted By mawnck Oh Donny. You're back. I could've sworn your return would be something about the protests on Wall Street. Maybe Fox News isn't covering that yet. As for the topic at hand, come back when they nominate him. Then we'll talk.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Plus, no one said all TP'ers are racists. They're not. But the TP is dominated by the same old southern religious right, which has a significant racist contingent. That's undeniable, unless you have a hard time facing facts.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >With many people in World Events saying Tea Party members are raciest I wondered how you felt about the ever increasing popularity with the Tea Party ?< I don't find them sexually titillating at all donny. Not sure what a black guy has to do with that... Unless of course you meant RACIST. Which then I would have to point out that the Herman Cain you say proves the Tea Party isn't racist has gone on record saying that another Tea Party sweetie, Rick Perry, is insensitive and racist towards blacks.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh, and Cain is pretty much, I think, the "flavor of the week," which the GOP has shown an alarming penchant for this year. The Tea Party was all for Perry until he (horrors!) said something compassionate about children of immigrants. Many felt obliged to withhold their support from Perry (for now), but whom to give it to, at least in a poll? Not Romney. Perry dropped, but Romney barely budged, indicating that the TP'ers deserting Perry for now still can't bring themselves to support the Mormon. So to whom to give at least token support in a poll? Bachmann was the flavor of the month way back in August. Been there, done that. Plus, now they've gotten a load of her husband, and I think they "get it," even if poor Michele still doesn't seem to. Huntsman? See Romney, major problem with (if you're a Christian conservative, as most TP'ers are.) Gingrich was toast before he started, and Santorum is proof only that you can say all the right things for these people, but you still have to have a modicum of charisma or you ain't getting anywhere (see Pawlenty, Tim). That pretty much left Cain. I see his (I believe) brief rise as much more a message to Perry that he'd better move even further right and stop being so nice to them Mex'cans. Plus, some of them can say "see, I supported a black man for a week!" This brings up another question. Why did Bachmann fell so far so fast? After leading the polls for Iowa and winning the straw poll - to the point that pundit after pundit declared her, Perry, and Romney to be the "upper tier" of candidates (google or youtube it if you don't believe me) - she's now around 4% in the polls. Four percent! And I've heard reports that she may not have enough money even to LAST until Iowa. She never got a lot of the establishment big-money, but she did get plenty of individual Christian conservatives to donate, and now that seems to have dried up. Why?? My little video didn't get THAT many hits. And it can't be her crazy statements - that wouldn't disqualify her with the TP crowd; anything but. (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gVZsypIKGc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ZsypIKGc</a>) This is just a theory, but I think it's Marcus. He's been lampooned all over TV and youtube. And I think the TP'ers, as much as they might like Michele, aren't about to elect a gay man (or even someone perceived as such, if indeed...) as "first husband." There's just no way. Her drop in the polls coincided with Marcus becoming a known entity. And yeah, with Perry entering the race too, but that might explain a split vote among TP'ers... but she went from their darling to four (!) percent. I think there's something else afoot here, and I think it's the guy who, as Jon Stewart put it, is "one chianna shirt away from being the guy on Modern Family."
Originally Posted By vbdad55 For those who missed it - Cain also on local TV here in Chicago called Gov Christie - too liberal ! COming from Cain it re-verifies my feeling that Christie may well be the best GOP candidate.. although the press ( and who knows who else already pre-emptively striking by making his weight a major focus) - politics really sucks right now
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think the press lives on the idea that they can make or break a candidate. I thought they were supposed to report on the process...not influence it. What do I know? I don't identify with the Tea Party but I will admit that I was taken aback by the "straight talk" approach of Cain. Because it is so rare it is stands out so much when you see or hear it. And, I like to think that neither party has a firm grip on the "raciest" claim. There are a lot of horny men in Washington.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It seems every four years I see a report or two on the two convention cities, and how hookers and other "adult services" see their business go WAY up if either major party convention is held there. More so than other conventions, even. This is the case with both parties, although apparently the Republicans lean more heavily towards the kinkier stuff.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >This is the case with both parties, although apparently the Republicans lean more heavily towards the kinkier stuff.< Do you know how hard it is to find 12 year old male hookers in the continental U.S. ?
Originally Posted By mawnck Ahem. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/warning-n-word" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/warning-n-word</a> (WARNING - N-word at link. Kind of tough to talk about this particular news story without it though.)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 From that link written by (the conservative) David Frum: "I continue to hope that conservatives will develop greater awareness of how they sound outside the bubble." Good luck on that one, Davey.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The premise of this thread is so base and racist it's sickening- Hey everyone! The Tea party has a black friend! See! We're not bigoted at all!
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy this is not cool. the same people who get on birthers have nothing to say about these unfunded alligations about mr cain having sex problems with women? if it's not cool to question our president's birth then please put a stop to the cain lies also. fair is fair, don't you think?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What would be fair is to recognize that any suggestion that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii is a proven lie. The allegations against Cain are not proven lies. Nor proven truth. Most of us have just learned of them and shouldn't be too quick to assume either. It is important to remember that these are allegations from years ago, long before Cain thought of running, and so can't be chalked up to dirty tricks from one of the other campaigns. The settlements paid to the two women by Cain's old employer is a matter of record. Settlements do not equal guilt, necessarily. But it's hardly a "lie" for news organizations to bring them up, now that Cain is running. And his explanations of this and trying to say he didn't know there were settlements when he must have don't make him look too good.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy you make some cents, enough that i will buy what you say. but we need to be fair to mr. cain and put a stop to these sorted and unsavery quarter truths and damning details about his personal life. this goes for all of the candidates who want to make america a better place. here is a novel idea. let's play a fair game to all contestents be they blue or red, ok? leave their personal lives alone. this was the problem with jumping all over weiner and spitszer. leave their privacy be please and stick to the public issues like taxes are way too high and public teachers get paid so little and ceos getting too much money and there are not enough supreme court justices. anyways, i should not have strayed in this lions den of world affairs. see you at disneyland where all the happyness is.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "but we need to be fair to mr. cain and put a stop to these sorted and unsavery quarter truths and damning details about his personal life." So far, all I've seen is news orgs reporting on something that is a matter of public record (the settlements paid to these two women), which does not constitute unfair, or less than truthful. It may go there eventually (and may have already on reports I haven't seen) but what I have seen has been fair, and even surprisingly dry (considering how the media loves the nexus of sex and politics, as you point out). What will be interesting is seeing how the other GOP hopefuls react to this.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "anyways, i should not have strayed in this lions den of world affairs. see you at disneyland where all the happyness is." Brush up on on a few things first.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Let's review. On Friday, Cain was categorically denying the charges. On Saturday, he was allowing that yes, he had faced allegations of sexual harrasment but the charges were baseless. On Sunday, he was parsing the difference between "agreement" and "settlement", and admitting that he was aware at the time that an "agreement" had been reached, but that he didn't know what it was, or that it constituted a "settlement". Add to this that the Politico reporter who broke the story says that the Cain campaign had been alerted to the story TEN DAYS before it broke, and it still caught them flat footed. Does anybody believe him? Why would you? This is indeed similar to the Weiner scandal in which the story changed every day - with the exception that Weiner never issued the flat denial that Cain initially. This tells us two things - Cain will lie - and badly - when he thinks it will help him. Also, he's covering up because he's worried this scandal will have an impact, so there's something there. Secondly, he's got a terrible campaign team who seems entirely unable to manage a situation like this - it could not have been handled more ineptly. Third - it's entirely possible that this originated from one of the other GOP campaigns. While Fox heads are loudly complaining about the "liberal media" the source is most likely from one of the republican candidates.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Absolutely. Obama would be thrilled to face Cain in the general. I'm guessing it came from Perry's camp, but that's only because of his rep for playing as dirty as he thinks he needs to; it's only a guess. Plus, Romney seems happy to continue to see the evangelical/base vote split among several candidates. It's actually in his interest to keep many of them viable for as long as possible, as long as any one of them doesn't get too strong.
