Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt >>Bill O’Reilly was a guest on The View today to promote his new Pinheads and Patriots book and the discussion got really, really heated over the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” debate. At one point co-host Whoopi Goldberg exclaimed to O’Reilly “that is such bullsh*t” before she and Joy Behar walked off the set in protest.<< <a href="http://current.com/news/92724215_joy-behar-and-whoopi-goldberg-walk-off-the-view-after-sparring-with-bill-o-reilly.htm?xid=PTNiGoog" target="_blank">http://current.com/news/927242...PTNiGoog</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Good question. I admit that I can't really stomach the show, but the video clip is pretty entertaining to watch. To be honest I wish the two hadn't walked off and put Bill in his place. The shout fest that took place was childish.
Originally Posted By mele I would have walked out when he told me to shut up so "I could learn something". (And possibly started plotting his death.*) To me, he really did sound as if he was saying Muslims attacked us and that's why there should be no "mosque". Not, the men who did this were Muslim. It did sound like he was grouping them all together. They were all men, too, so what other conclusion(s) can we draw? (Stupid!) At some point, we should walk away from this nonsense. It just gives it credibility when it deserves none. Of course...70% of Americans are against this? How many of the 70% actually understand that it's not a mosque nor is it at Ground Zero? Any of them? These are the kind of people who will see walking away as giving up because they know they're wrong, not because the argument is beyond ridiculous. America never seems to change much. We're still the same people who interned the Japanese during the war. We learned nothing from it. *Yes, I'm kidding.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan All excellent points, Mele. Especially: >>How many of the 70% actually understand that it's not a mosque nor is it at Ground Zero?<< They don't stop being hysterical long enough to absorb either of those facts. But what if an Islamic group had the funding to open a mosque in the newly constructed building adjacent to the WTC site? Are they suggesting we ignore the Constitution and come up with some way to force out one religion? Why is two blocks away "inappropriate" but three blocks away okay? It's illogical, hysterical nonsense. And it's wholly unAmerican to me. For someone like O'Reilly, who claims he is the great decider of who is a pinhead and who is a patriot, to take such an unpatriotic stance is telling.
Originally Posted By DAR I certainly understand why people on both sides would be upset. It's a sensitive issue. That being said it should have been left up to the people of New York to decide and what happens after that happens. But the whole thing was pretty childish and like I said earlier the whole thing smacks of ratings/sales grab for all parties involved.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>it should have been left up to the people of New York to decide<< It's private property, legally obtained. There's nothing to decide. It was decided about 200+ years ago in the Constitution.
Originally Posted By DAR Although my original idea was to build a center were all faiths were welcome. That would truly show unity. And you could build a tot lot for the atheists too.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "....the whole thing smacks of ratings/sales grab for all parties involved." I don't know. The debate seemed pretty heated and genuine. I doubt if the walk off was simply a ratings move or staged. I think Joy felt insulted was very upset.
Originally Posted By mele When people protest about this, it just shows the rest of the world that we don't uphold our supposed "American" ideals. This, imo, is the exact kind of crap that the terrorists wanted. We *are* letting them win by letting our country be ripped apart and completely broke. They are winning/have won if 70% of people are against this center being built.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>This, imo, is the exact kind of crap that the terrorists wanted.<< They won. They played us like fiddles. They completely transformed this country, and all they had to do was kill 3,000 people - less than .001% of our population - in a way that would generate some great TV footage. The star spangled banner waves over the land of the freaked out and the home of the chicken.
Originally Posted By mele When people protest about this, it just shows the rest of the world that we don't uphold our supposed "American" ideals. This, imo, is the exact kind of crap that the terrorists wanted. We *are* letting them win by letting our country be ripped apart and completely broke. They are winning/have won if 70% of people are against this center being built.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Honestly, what did they think O'Reilly would have to say about these things? I don't know if The View ever features actual conversation, or if it's always people shouting and talking over each other. Seems like every clip from the show is some variation of this.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I don't know if The View ever features actual conversation, or if it's always people shouting and talking over each other. Seems like every clip from the show is some variation of this." I watched fairly regularly during the Presidential Election and it isn't always that way. Of course the panelists are very opinionated and when things occasionally get off track it makes for good watching. The Rosie O'Donnell on-air fight with Elizabeth Hasselbeck is probably the most notorious confrontations ever on the show.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I just wish that if they're going to have someone on the show, perhaps they could have maybe only a couple of the regular hosts stay on stage. If I want to hear six people shouting over each other and storming out of the room I'll have Thanksgiving with my in laws.
