Originally Posted By Darkbeer And in Pennsylvania!!! <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/18/D8DV6UOG0.html" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.com/news/ 2005/11/18/D8DV6UOG0.html</a> >>An immigration raid at a Wal-Mart distribution center under construction led to the arrests of 125 illegal workers, all of whom will be deported, federal officials said Friday. The workers from Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico were detained Thursday at the construction site in eastern Pennsylvania, according to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Some of the 125 used fake documents to obtain employment with subcontractors, officials said. The arrests came after search warrants were executed for six companies at the site outside Pottsville, about 80 miles northwest of Philadelphia. "Employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens, and those who utilize false documents to gain employment, face significant criminal and administrative charges," John Kelleghan, acting special agent-in- charge for ICE in Pennsylvania, said in a statement. Agents obtained the search warrants after learning that 10 workers employed by Destin Drywall & Paint were using Social Security numbers that did not match their names. Another three used Social Security numbers that were never issued by the government, according to an affidavit unsealed Friday at U.S. District Court in Scranton. Houston-based Destin has worked on Wal-Mart projects around the country, according to office manager Cindy Wyman. She said the company verifies that employees are permitted to work in the United States. "As far as I know, their Social Security numbers are good," Wyman said of the Pennsylvania workers. The Pennsylvania job site remains shut down, Wal-Mart spokesman Marty Heires said Friday. He did not know when construction would resume. Last month, Wal-Mart shut down work on seven stores under construction in North Dakota to check for illegal aliens after two illegal immigrants working on Wal-Mart projects in Bismarck were charged with molesting two 13-year-old girls. Charges against one of the suspects were dropped after authorities found out he was a juvenile. <<
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Geez... Dark... You REALLY screwed up on this one. Conservatives LOVE Wal-Mart, liberals HATE Wal-Mart. You got you sides screwed up here. If you can't keep up, at least try to keep score. ;-)
Originally Posted By cmpaley It's all part of the "make everyone angry at the illegal Mexicans" tactic of the rabid right. Never mind that the rabid right PROFITS through illegal immigration...just keep people ANGRY about it and never really try to solve the problem. Oh, they stamp and stammer and propose tough laws, but nothing will work because the rabid right is incapable of fixing the actual cause of illegal immigration. Just keep fanning the flames of anger and resentment. That's the the rabid-right is best at.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut I love how people are gonna hate walmart even more for this, when in reality it was the companies doing the construction that highered the undocumented workers. Im glad they raided. Undocumented workers who are in this country without permission should be removed. No matter what country of origin. They shouldnt be here. We give citizenship to thousands of people every month, why not go through the steps if you really want to be an america.
Originally Posted By friendofdd I know I should take a stand on this matter. Let's see... I love walmart and think illegal aliens have broken the law.... or is it the aliens have a right to be here and walmart is the oppressor? The big, bad oppressor working illegals who send money back home and support several foreign economys. We all know walmart is bad. Yet they hire the aliens through contractors. So, does that make them good? Or does it mean that Americans are losing out on work? Ohhhh! I get so confused
Originally Posted By retlawfan I don't hate Wal-Mart, but am glad the raid took place. <<I love how people are gonna hate walmart even more for this, when in reality it was the companies doing the construction that highered the undocumented workers. Im glad they raided. Undocumented workers who are in this country without permission should be removed. No matter what country of origin. They shouldnt be here. We give citizenship to thousands of people every month, why not go through the steps if you really want to be an america.>> I agree. What's wrong with Wal-Mart anyway? It's what a lot of people rely on to stretch their $$. (I know I shouldn't have asked...)
Originally Posted By friendofdd I liked to shop target, but I've quit since they won't allow Salvation Army to ring bells at their doors during Christmas season.
Originally Posted By retlawfan So do you shop at Target because of the prices peeaanuut? (sorry to put you on the spot, but you're here) I'm sure there are things that Target does that some people don't like. But, if they can legally provide a product for the best price, than that is their right to be in business, just like Wal-Mart. Of course, I don;t like that Wal-Mart is trying to get away from using the term "Merry CHristmas", but that is another thread, I guess.
Originally Posted By friendofdd Did you ever try the do-it-yourself ink refills? I tried once. Got that $2000 a gallon ink everywhere but in the cartridge.
Originally Posted By scottie <<Just shop at Target instead. >> I used to be a manager at Target in CA and I'm pretty sure we had over 50 people who did not have valid social security numbers in our store alone. We had an audit and those in question on our report needed to bring in a valid social security number that matched their names. Many did not return and some were fired after they failed to show proof. I still would rather shop Target but don't think Target doesn't benefit from the undocumented workforce just like everyone else does.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << What's wrong with Wal-Mart anyway? It's what a lot of people rely on to stretch their $$. >> Many people, usually on the left, think Wal Mart is evil. Pretty funny when you see how packed the Wal Mart parking lot is and how happy their employees are to have a job there. More liberal nonsense.
Originally Posted By itsme In my fine state of Pa. WalMart is our biggest employer in terms of #'s. I wonder if they counted all the illegals and kids.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder I did internal investigations for six years at Target while I went to law school. I hated it. I've never seen a place pay so much lip service and actually do so little in my life.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I used to be a manager at Target in CA and I'm pretty sure we had over 50 people who did not have valid social security numbers in our store alone. We had an audit and those in question on our report needed to bring in a valid social security number that matched their names. Many did not return and some were fired after they failed to show proof. >>> Why was this proof not required prior to hiring? I'll tell you one thing that I think the left gets wrong: opposition to immigration enforcement. It would seem to me that if you made it a requirement that proof of SSN and proof of identity needed to be presented prior to hiring, and that these must be validated through a quick process with the relevant authorities, that employment of illegal aliens would be greatly curtailed, at least in the above-ground economy. One argument against requirements such as this is that it disproportionally affects minorities. Well, this would be true if the employer were required or allowed to validate based on a suspicion of the documents being false, as this would inevitably lead to peoples' biases leaking into the implementation. But if you had an absolute, uniform policy, then this argument goes away. Consider how the instant background checks for firearm purchases work: nobody claims that gun checks are biased against minorities because gun sellers might be extra suspicious of a person of color - they are applied uniformly to each and every purchaser. Why can't we do this with employment? As other people have alluded to, there's opposition from both sides of the aisle. In addition to traditionally "left" organizations that support "immigrant rights," you also have large corporate interests, some of whose entire livelihood is based on employing illegal workers (reportedly such as many of the "factory" meat and poultry operations in the midwest). As an aside, I am reminded of a situation from nearly 15 years ago. I was at a dinner party, and just about everyone there other than me was an unabashed liberal and proud of it. There was talk about such-and-such person that many of them knew who had just taken a job as an officer with the Border Patrol. One person thought this was strange, as the person in question was Hispanic, and wondered if they felt conflicted about patroling the border where the vast majority of illegal entrants are Mexican. I commented that I thought it odd that just because someone was Hispanic, you would assume they felt particular sympathy for someone breaking the law, just because they had a common heritage. This comment was met with blank stares back in my direction, and the conversation just kind of moved on to the next subject.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut retlawfan:sorry a little late. Actually I dont like shopping at either of them. Jayna goes to target cause its by her work and she can go at lunch. I dont like the walmart right by my house because its dirty and very unorganized. Been in there a few times and every time I cant find what I want and I have to walk out. Cant say if this is characteristic of all walmarts but true for mine. I dont have a problem with the company at all, I just dont like going into dirty stores. The same reason I wont go into the Ross or Marshalls by my house. Dirty and unorganized and the staff is non existant.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<Did you ever try the do-it-yourself ink refills?>> One of the worst inventions in the entire world. Plus the quality of the ink is absolutely horrible. I usually only print photos and that ink is the worst to use for photos.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut ok Beau: you had a good point until you said the employees were happy. Come down to long beach and they all look angry. But of course thats kind of characteristic of working in long beach. Everyone is so angry.
Originally Posted By scottie <<Why was this proof not required prior to hiring?>> Everyone has their ways of getting around the system. Everyone is asked for a valid ID and social security. We would have a background check and if their SS# was a valid number they would be allowed to work. I don't think the system checked if the name actually matched the number. Even if it did I know of many that changed their name just to match the valid SS#. There are systems in place and there will always be a way to get around it.
