Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance He's not really against it. He just has to pretend like he is, or else he will lose the bigot vote.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Odd that Donny brought this topic up since Obama has commented recently that his views on gay marriage are changing: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/23/AR2010122301859.html?hpid=topnews" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...=topnews</a>
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance It is kind of annoying that Obama just doesn't come out and say there is nothing wrong with gay marriage.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Yeah, on this he is very wishy-washy, and I believe that's a purely political calculation on his part.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I think he is fundamentally against it. It's that Christian thing you know.
Originally Posted By ecdc My sense is, not unlike Reagan, Obama isn't really much of a Christian - not in the religious sense, anyways. And no, he's not a Muslim. I just don't get any sense that he's all that religious. But, maybe I'm projecting.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt He's mentioned several times during his Presidency that he prays and we all know that he was an active member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. How religious he is is anybody's guess, but the sense I get is that his moral compass is in line with that of his Christian faith, that is he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Donny is developing a pattern of posting things about gay topics that seem to tweak those that favor equality. In addition to this thread, he had some snarky comments about repealing DADT, and how it was a democrat in office when it was enacted. The inference is that donny is opposed to gay rights, gay marriage, gay equality, and presumeably gay sex. Yet he seems oddly fixated on the topic. He's said in the past that he "doesn't care" about gay marriage, but I'm not convinced. I could make all kinds of uninformed conclusions, but I won't. I'll just say that it's odd - queer even - how fascinated he is by the topic.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I don't think there's a point to this thread at all, other than for Donny to poke a stick at people.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///He just has to pretend like he is, or else he will lose the bigot vote./// ......which makes me respect the "bigot" more than Obama for I'll take an honest bigot over a poser almost any day.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Aren't all politicians posers to one degree or another barboy? Few American politicians are bigger posers than a certain former female grizzly bear state governor who hails from Alaska.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Donny seems to be in the habit of posting something and then entirely abandoning the topic.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I actually give him some credit for saying his stance is evolving and that he's wrestling with it. You KNOW his 2012 GOP opponent will use that against him with older voters at least, and he could have just shut his mouth and said nothing. It's by far the closest any Pres or Pres candidate (which is what he'll be again) has come to endorsing the idea.
Originally Posted By KatieKate123 I am a christian, and I could care less if gays got married so its only those all I am perfect christians. In my opinino it is what it is, and if it's a sin then I am not the one doing it.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well put, Katie! As far as if it's a sin or not, in MOST Christian religions ANY sex outside of marriage is a sin. So, it goes without saying that gays having any sort of sex without marriage is, by default, a sin. Now, denying them the OPTION of marriage is a whole other kettle of fish. As far as the whole "gay is sinful" meme, that comes from a short quote in the bible that has often been interpreted one way or the other (man laying with man is abomination, or something like that), but the part I find interesting is how in the very same passage the eating of shellfish is condemned, as well. How many hypocrites enjoy lobster and clams while happily condemning the gays for *their* "sin", I wonder?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Why is anyone surprised that Obama is a moderate?<< Because they've been told ad nauseam that he's a socialist.
