Originally Posted By Darkbeer Well, they had a problem with "stealing" at Qualcomm Stadium, as a group of folks were taking the donations and loading them up in a pick-up, and then returning multiple times, with plans to sell the stuff. The problem was, the stuff was free, so the police was having problems with figuring out what to charge them with. Well, they found one law they were breaking, immigration law, as they were illegal aliens. <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html" target="_blank">http://latimesblogs.latimes.co m/breakingnews/2007/10/six-undocumente.html</a> >>Six illegal immigrants arrested at Qualcomm San Diego: Six undocumented Mexican immigrants were arrested today by U.S. Border Patrol agents at Qualcomm Stadium, after a report that they were stealing food and water meant for evacuees, according to spokesman Damon Foreman. San Diego police responded to a call about alleged theft from the evacuation center and encountered six people in a van who didn't speak English and didn't have California driver's licenses, Foreman said. The police officers called the Border Patrol, who arrived at the stadium and made the arrests, he said. Foreman said the immigrants admitted they were Mexican citizens and that they were stealing. << Sorry, but anyone who steals stuff designed for relief victims, no matter their immigration status is scum.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Sorry, but anyone who steals stuff designed for relief victims, no matter their immigration status is scum.>> I agree 100%. So why didn't you title your post "Human Scum found stealing relief supplies"?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I think it's obvious: "The problem was, the stuff was free, so the police was having problems with figuring out what to charge them with. Well, they found one law they were breaking, immigration law, as they were illegal aliens."
Originally Posted By WorldDisney DB, you know I love you man and I think I agree with you politically about 30% of the time, but that's fine, difference of opinion is why democracies are cool ;D. But c'mon, when you put ILLEGAL ALIENS are stealing the supplies, it just sounds like nothing more than a political agenda and almost inheritantly racist in your statement. Can you imagine if you said , "Black people found stealing supplies?', or 'Mexicans', 'Gays', whatever, it just sounds biased. Look, I hope the scum get what's coming to them, but that statement kind of reads underhandedly like you can't trust none of those criminal illegal aliens and be SCARED....veeeery SCARED!!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom But they are illegal aliens. According to former US Senator from Georgia Zell Miller 25% of our prisons are filled with illegal aliens. So its not as if there isn't already a correlation between illegal aliens and crime.
Originally Posted By Ursula Well, so what if he called the scum illegal aliens? They are. They should be shot on site, frankly.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Did you see the title of the LA Times article? It is the first line I quoted in my post... And due to space reasons in the title header, I did use the shorter word "aliens" instead of immigrants. I also saw an interview with a San Diego Police officer at Qualcomm Stadium talking to a KNBC (or maybe KNSD, the NBC affilite in San Diego) reporter, who stated the issue of what to charge them with. The police officer did state that at least one fo the group admitted they were taking the stuff to sell it, and they were having problems with coming up with a way to arrest them, then found out they were illegal aliens and contacted ICE, who came out and took the 6 into custody.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney LOL, I think 'shot on site' is a little drastic...even for California . And yeah, I understand he's just citing nothing more than the paper itself cited, but it just feels to post something that HERE is trying to create a political point of view over it that's all. I don't really get why this article have to be cited here other then for a politcal view point. And that's fine, but its how I see it.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Okay, I guess what I'm TRYING to say was, but can't think, if it was just a bunch of teenagers trying to the same thing, I just don't know if the article would've been cited here. The L.A. Times is simply reporting what happened, but when you put something here, you are trying to say something a little more IMO.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer By the way, once these guys were caught, they added a new procedure at Qualcomm, and that is a place to check in, show your ID and state why you were displaced, and then issued a wristband to prove you qualify for the relief aid. Then volunteers can watch over the materials and make sure only those who truly need the supplies get them. Too bad it was needed, but a good way to help prevent "looters", and that is what the folks who took the supplies to resell were doing.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The term "illegal alien", like it or not, is now considered incendiary. We can argue all day about the definition of the term, whether it's right or wrong, accurate or unfair, but the fact is it is a rather loaded term at this point in history. Sort of like back in the late 1960's when people would refer to African Americans as "the Coloreds." At a certain point, the term, which was an improvement over uglier names, became passe and/or offensive, whether or not that was the intention. So, fewer and fewer people used it. Some view this as PC in its zenith, or a conspiracy by the main stream media, but be that as it may, the term 'illegal aliens' is one you are seeing less and less as it immediately sets people off.
Originally Posted By DAR All I know is some of these "illegal aliens" have some serious landscaping skills.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Folks need to remember that not all LP'ers are from California. Those of us from outside the Golden State understand that illegal immigration is a thorny issue and that you are impacted by it much more than people in almost any other state. But many of us (or at least me) have a problem understanding the level of disgust and hatred you feel for these people. If I lived there, who knows? I might feel the same way (though I hope not). But NOT living there the attitudes are absolutely incomprehensible to me.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^That's sort of what my post was getting at RoadTrip. I felt like the point of the entire thread is to 'bash the illegal aliens'. I'm NOT saying that's DB purpose in posting this, that just how it came off to me. <<Sort of like back in the late 1960's when people would refer to African Americans as "the Coloreds.">> Who you calling 'colored', you, um, DISNEYLOVER!!! (Yeah, that's all I got ;D)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney And I will say for the sake of it, born and raised in California where the illegal issue is a big one and THEN moving to North Asia where its ALSO huge, but its the Chinese issue for Korea and Japan where I lived, that the EXACT thing happens here too. EVERY time an illegal did something wrong, especially in Japan it was EVERYWHERE!! An illegal Chinese killed a family in 2003 or 2004 and I swear it just because an excuse for people to unload their thoughts of what they REALLY thought of them and there were all kinds of calls to get them all out ASAP!! So yeah it doesn't help when these people illegally crossed the border (or in Japan and Korea cases overstay their VISA's or sneak in through freighter boats) and then in help commiting crimes. It DOESN'T help their cause and it causes less sympathy all around from others that do, not to mention the ones that wanted them out yesterday. Of course, I imagine not all of them are there, regardless of where 'there' because they were good and honorable citizens where they came from, but I DO hate how those few that cause trouble already casts a bigger shadow on those people that are 'there' who is trying to earn some money and make a living to feed their children. One shouldn't be demonized more than than they already are.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm with World Disney on this one. This thread and the other one about fire breaks are nothing more than transparent attempts by Darkbeer to use tragic events to further a political agenda. Pathetic. And just like Hannity. Now is not the time and this is not the place.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Huh, just like Senator Reid did yesterday... I was evacuated due to the Cedar Fire back in 2003, and went to Qualcomm. I count my blessing I didn't have to get evacuated this time, but who knows what will happen over the next few months, as Fire Season just started in the SoCal area. We need to build fire breaks, and clear out dead growth NOW. And if weather conditions allow, do some controlled burns. There are still plenty of areas in Southern California, heck the entire South West that NEED fire protection measures TODAY. This info was point out YEARS ago after the major Cedar Fire, but hardly any actions were taken in the last few years. We need to take action NOW to try and prevent tragedies in the near future.
Originally Posted By Mr X **when you put ILLEGAL ALIENS are stealing the supplies, it just sounds like nothing more than a political agenda and almost inheritantly racist in your statement** Why? If it were Canadians living in America illegally and stealing stuff...would the title still be racist?
Originally Posted By Mr X **EVERY time an illegal did something wrong, especially in Japan it was EVERYWHERE!! An illegal Chinese killed a family in 2003 or 2004 and I swear it just because an excuse for people to unload their thoughts of what they REALLY thought of them and there were all kinds of calls to get them all out ASAP!!** True that. Thing is in Asia that sort of sentiment gets passed on to people who are living there legally as well. Did you know there's a new Immigration rule starting next month in Japan where all foreigners get photographed and fingerprinted at the border, even permanant resident aliens who are returning from a trip? That sucks. Welcome home, eh?
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<The term "illegal alien", like it or not, is now considered incendiary.>> so now we are worried about the feelings of people that have no right to be here and are commiting crimes? Im sorry, but that is the last person im worried about ticking off. I agree, shoot them on site. Than send the bodies back to whatever country they came from and let them deal with burrying them.
