Originally Posted By FaMulan <a href="http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/vatican-hit-by-gay-sex-scandal/19383948" target="_blank">http://www.aolnews.com/world/a...19383948</a> "The Vatican is at the center of a gay sex scandal involving a young chorister who allegedly procured men, including at least one seminarian, for a lay member of one of Pope Benedict's inner circles." " On Wednesday, La Repubblica published excerpts from the wiretaps and other police documents from the probe, which indicated Balducci was in regular contact with Ehiem, a member of the Vatican's Giulia Choir. Police identified him as part "of an organized network ... to abet male prostitution."" I am a lapsed Catholic. I lapsed well before I personally knew how hypocritical the Church was. If one is going to be in a high-profile in such an anti-homosexual church, he'd better keep his reproductive parts where the Church says he should. Ugh.
Originally Posted By Mr X Shouldn't that be "Vatican hit by yet another sex scandal"? Or even more appropriately, "Vatican caught raping more boys".
Originally Posted By snappyfun yes all Catholic's are really gay, but since being gay is normal why the big deal with this?
Originally Posted By Labuda snapster - the hypocrisy of the Church is the big deal. Yeah, it wasn't a Priest being caught having sex with men, but it's still a Very Big Deal for a member of the Church to procure prostitutes for someone, be it male or female prostitutes. But, in a patently anti-gay religion like Catholicism, the gay factor makes this an even bigger story. Oh, and for your use of hyperbole above, I give you a D-.
Originally Posted By snappyfun Labuda, there are gay people in every religious faith known to man, and because some of those gay people do bad or even evil things this does not make the church leaders hypocrites. And the Catholic church is in no way anti gay, that is so silly that it really needs no comment. The church is anti sin and homosexuals and heterosexuals sin.
Originally Posted By Mr X Hardly. It takes two people expressing rational thoughts to have a conversation (or even a debate). What you wrote makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever, and I'm sure even church officials would scoff at your outlandish claim. First of all, yes they conveniently say they only despise homosexual ACTIONS (not the "sinners" themselves), but you are off your rocker if you think for one second that the Roman Catholic church is anything but a virulent ENEMY of gay people. From their instructions to their congregations, to the way they treat gays and families of gays who appear in their midst, to their outright hostility and financial clobbering of all gay people everywhere who have nothing to DO with the Catholic church and WANT nothing to do with the Catholic church, they are anti-gay every single step of the way and probably always will be. What's silly (never mind "needs no comment") is your ridiculous claim otherwise. That's not even rational.
Originally Posted By Mr X EDIT all gay people everywhere, even those who have nothing to DO with the Catholic church and WANT nothing to do with the Catholic church
Originally Posted By snappyfun Mr X, this is obviously a very emotional issue with you and i don't want to upset you, so since you are not a Catholic i know your working from an uninformed point of view. The church hates no one, but can not change for the pop culture of the day. When both of us are gone the church will still go on and they will do as they always have, follow sacred tradition and the bible.
Originally Posted By Mr X You are right, equal rights IS a very emotional issue with me. And the Catholic church is an enemy of that equality that I hold so dear. And, um, big assumption there that I'm not a Catholic and thus working from an uninformed point of view. I can tell you that 12 years of Catholic schooling can teach you a heck of a lot buddy.
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Originally Posted By snappyfun having emotional issues about your upbringing is nothing new, or unique to you Mr X. Hey did i not read that you claim to be an atheist? You can not be Catholic and an atheist.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***having emotional issues about your upbringing is nothing new, or unique to you Mr X.*** Ad homonym attack, interesting technique. In any case, I had no problem with the Catholic church, even long after I left it behind, until the truth about the Vatican covering up wholesale child rape and protecting the child rapists came out. Now, I have nothing but contempt for that organization. ***Hey did i not read that you claim to be an atheist?*** I dunno, did you? ***You can not be Catholic and an atheist*** I'm not a Catholic. I've renounced that religion completely due to all the evil and corruption infesting it at the very core.
Originally Posted By snappyfun Again Mr X , you have deep emotional issues with the church of your childhood and I am not going to try to understand what your childhood was like to bring out such hate for the church, but i can say i feel very sorry that you where so hurt. I truly hope you can find peace at some point.
Originally Posted By Mr X More ad homonym attacks. And again, my childhood has NOTHING to do with why I have such hate for the church. Luckily, I was NOT raped but I was one of the fortunate ones apparently.
Originally Posted By snappyfun so now you are saying that most of the 70 million catholics where raped? Again you have serious issues with the church that are personal and have nothing to do with civil rights. And hoping that you find peace is not an attack, its a christian prayer.
