Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/07/afghan.family/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...dex.html</a> Yup, we've sure done a bang up job there as well. Yet another casualty of the Iraq War.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Yes, that's certainly "messed up". Not sure we can take the blame for that one though.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<"Women and girls, especially young girls, are the most unprotected people of Afghanistan. They are raped, kidnapped and murdered," Shaima says. Just last week, a 3-year-old girl was kidnapped and raped by unidentified men, a government official confirms. The toddler was later released and, the official says, is recovering. "Rapists are roaming around with impunity," Shaima says, turning her attention to a man -- said to be the son of a powerful official -- who is accused of raping 22 girls in the northern province of Sar-I-Pul.>> Disgusting - these people are behaving like animals. But this is what happens when you have a culture that treats women as property, and teaches men that they are superior to women. Look at Africa, and all the horrible rapes that occur there as well in times of war. It's disgusting - and something that won't change until those societies learn to treat women as equals.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Wow, are we responsbile for the culture issues in every country on each -- you've gotta be kidding ? I know, Bush sucks is the reason their culture treats women like crap -- unbelievable
Originally Posted By plpeters70 I certainly never said that it was the USA's fault that their culture sucks. On the contrary, I blame the people who live there that buy into this crap. I've never understood why ANY woman would want to follow Islam, but that's just me...
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Not that the women in those countries have a choice in the matter - it was just more of a hypothetical question. But there are women in this country who follow Islamic law - and that just never made any sense to me. If I were a woman, I couldn't imagine walking around in all those robes while every other woman around me was in shorts and t-shirts. (I've seen people like that at Disneyland, and always wondered what they thought of the other women in the parks.)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I certainly never said that it was the USA's fault that their culture sucks. On the contrary, I blame the people who live there that buy into this crap. I've never understood why ANY woman would want to follow Islam, but that's just me...< wasn't directed at you - you didn;t make a statement that somehow this is our fault for botching Afghanistan - never mind this nonsense has not just started since we got there
Originally Posted By vbdad55 not the argument here though is it ? It was unfinished which is always a mistake in that type of engagement, but to even insinuate the things that are going on there as highlighted in the article and then posts, and have been for as long as any of us know are the result of that- or the US policies there is just bull. I'm sorry but a failed Afghan strategy did not suddenly make women 2nd class citizens there...
Originally Posted By dshyates You're right. But if we had secured the place maybe less of it would be going on.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 maybe is the operative word - we have no records of how much was happening before because it is doubtful the Taliban would keep such records on it's own men.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I'm sorry but a failed Afghan strategy did not suddenly make women 2nd class citizens there.<< Nor did anyone say otherwise. But we went to Afghanistan with the promise of capturing and defeating the people who attacked us. Hasn't happened. Part of that was to help build a better Afghan society. Hasn't happened. We turned our backs on the Afghani people so we could go to Iraq, a country that was no threat to us and didn't attack us. All the people that love to be "rah rah, USA, USA!" also claim to be Christian. How Christian is it to leave a country like Afghanistan like this so we can go fight in another one where we didn't belong? We could've helped the situation. Instead, we turned a blind eye to it. This story isn't about blaming the U.S. or George W. Bush for the appalling standards in Islamic countries. It's about reminding us of just what we gave up to go to Iraq. And yet, despicably, people continue to defend this total fiasco.
Originally Posted By dshyates "When did we pull out of Afghanistan?" We didn't "pull out", but we shifted the bulk of our forces to Iraq. The proverbial, "Taking our eye off the ball". I'm not convinced the Bush is really interested in catching Osama Been Forgotten.
