Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I don't always agree with Gov. Jan Brewer, but on this one, she did the right thing. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-governor-vetoes-bill-on-denying-services-to-gays/2014/02/26/df93ee02-9f03-11e3-9ba6-800d1192d08b_story.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...ory.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc While I think this is mostly out of fear of the Chamber of Commerce and business, I'll take it. Bigotry has become bad for business. That's the funny thing about America, we're pretty cavalier until it hurts the bottom line. You actually see the same thing happening with climate change. Businesses are realizing how much money it's going to cost them, and they're suddenly starting to get on board.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Bigotry has become bad for business.<< Yep. I'm happy that she did the right thing on this, though, for whatever reason. Fear of gays is now far out of the mainstream. I'm happily amazed that in my lifetime I've been able to see the shift in attitude (and laws) from the 1970's compared to today. Not 100% where things need to be just yet, but the momentum is clear.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck It seems like the whole thing was a complete no-brainer to me. She strung it out because she loves media attention. Signing this would have been political suicide.
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 So the gays still have free reign to shop around till they find a Christian run business that will refuse their outrageous request, just so they can sue and destroy the business owner and claim victim status...all while getting suckers to think they are being abused by haters and homophobes. Brilliant.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Castleowner... your castle is calling... <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://christopherfountain.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mobile-home-on-stilts.jpg">http://christopherfountain.fil...ilts.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Fear of gays is now far out of the mainstream." I don't know if I'd go that far. The AZ legislature did pass the bill, meanwhile various state Republican parties continue to maintain an anti-gay marriage rights stance with strong support from their constituents. "I'm happily amazed that in my lifetime I've been able to see the shift in attitude (and laws) from the 1970's compared to today. Not 100% where things need to be just yet, but the momentum is clear." It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Can you imagine how all of this would have gone down had Mitt Romney been elected? "Castleowner... your castle is calling..."
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 AZ would have lost a lot of money if they didn't have the Superbowl. Football rules all.
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 <<It's pretty amazing, isn't it? Can you imagine how all of this would have gone down had Mitt Romney been elected?>> What would have happened? I'm against re-defining marriage. But not for the reasons the idiots on here say. It has nothing to do with a gay person. It has to do with attacks on faith and gender being dismissed as irrelevant. IF a state were to vote for same sex marriage, I would say great. But, that's not how they are getting it done in most cases.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip No faith has any place in U.S. law. How would you like laws passed based on some extreme interpretations of Muslim beliefs?
Originally Posted By Castleowner77 <<No faith has any place in U.S. law>> After all this time you still have not bothered to study how the country was founded or bothered to read the monuments in Wash DC Roadtrip.. See, this is what happens when you hang out with the ECDC / Passholder crown. You never grow or learn.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I don't always agree with Gov. Jan Brewer, but on this one, she did the right thing." I wouldn't assign any pure motive to Brewer here. If she thought she could get away with it, she'd have signed it. Even she knew though a recall was just a petition away if she did.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 When I was down beside the sea A wooden spade they gave to me To dig the sandy shore. My holes were empty like a cup. In every hole the sea came up, Till it could come no more.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I wouldn't assign any pure motive to Brewer here. If she thought she could get away with it, she'd have signed it." Yes. The only thing conservatives love more than Jesus is money and so given her options she had no other choice but to veto the bill. The individuals and organizations who forced her hand are the ones who should be praised here.
Originally Posted By fkurucz A line I have heard from some RR types is that the government is going to force their churches to accept gay marriage. The thing is, the precedent is for the opposite. Take the Catholic Church, at no time has the government ever tried to force it to accept divorce and remarriage, even though divorce and remarriage are pretty much ingrained into contemporary American culture.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Brewer didn't say no to discrimination, or else she would have vetoed it the second it passed. She said no to something that would cost businesses money.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I wouldn't assign any pure motivation to Brewer here<< I'm really not. She's done plenty of repugnant things. But whatever the reason, on this one she ultimately came down on the side of equality.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I'm not as sure as she came down on the side of equality as she happened to partially land there when coming down on the side of business interests. Like 90% of her body landed in the square marked "bad for business" and her lower leg landed in the square marked "the bill is morally repugnant" by accident.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, I give her some credit. Business pressure undoubtedly played a role, but I think part of it was whatever humanity is within her. She may not be ready to sign on to gay marriage, but I think the disgust felt at the image of people being turned away from a lunch counter based on what they are is so deeply ingrained in the America psyche that she could not overlook it. How the legislators could, who knows?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, I give her some credit. Business pressure undoubtedly played a role, but I think part of it was whatever humanity is within her. She may not be ready to sign on to gay marriage, but I think the disgust felt at the image of people being turned away from a lunch counter based on what they are is so deeply ingrained in the America psyche that she could not overlook it. How the legislators could, who knows?
