Originally Posted By cape cod joe Just commit to the segment that they have on the most important subject of child molesters in Vt. and see if people can dig deep intellectually and morally and respond with real facts about how Bill doesn't give both points of view. Out debate me!!!!! I'm ready or will there be more personal attacks against Bill and me with buffoonery? I'll reciprocate and watch what you want me to and respond. I believe in the Golden Rule. Surely some Christians will make the committment to watch and respond honestly as Christians.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Moderator-------this should be under world events--sorry but if you could move it.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka You seem to be under the impression that people who don't like the Factor have never seen it. I've seen plenty of it and, newsflash, I didn't like it. That is possible you know, not everyone in the world thinks he is such a great guy. I know this next part will be equally as shocking, some Christians do not like him either, not just the devil worshippers. We *get* that you think O'Reilly is the second coming. We *get* that you are completely in love with him. Honestly, we really do get it. Do we really need a second thread about him? Maybe you and he could just go out on a date and leave us out of the whole thing.
Originally Posted By barboy Well stated mele. And cape cod, what's this fixation with O'Reilly? I just don't get it. He is smug, egotistacl, snide and obstinate.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Mele, that's exactly what I've been trying to say but for some reason he thinks I'm insulting him and calling him names.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I'm fixated with child abusers and you refusing to address it as only Bill is doing. You two refuse to address the topic and use Bill as a red herring. It's a typical ploy for people who will not address a topic rationally. I guess you two don't want to protect the children and just want to obfuscate. I do not love Bill so stop lying. You are lying. Just read the post. You are lying. GET IT?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 As someone who tends to agree with O'Reilly even I don't watch the Factor everyday. I may pop in here or there, but it's not on my must see list.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Pass ------people here have seen you name call and defend the people who abuse. It's clear and your time is up for not addressing the topic. See if you can just answer the question I ask. I don't think you can> you have no answer to so many questions so you just ignore and obfuscate. Just answer the question and say I can't watch tomorrow because Bill does show both sides and I don't like it. That is the truth. Have some courage and tell the truth Pass. The people are watching you very closely now and you have NO way out.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Do you know what STP does for a living? Probably not. Do you think maybe he's in favor of sexual abuse of children? Probably not.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Have some courage and tell the truth Pass. The people are watching you very closely now and you have NO way out." Say WHAT???? You are truly one of the most unusual posters we've had come along in quite a while. "I do not love Bill so stop lying. You are lying. Just read the post. You are lying. GET IT?" Oh for heaven's sake. Where in the world are you getting this stuff???? "I guess you two don't want to protect the children and just want to obfuscate." I'll echo what gadzuux said. Have you not noticed in my very recent postings what I said I do for a living?
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<The people are watching you very closely now and you have NO way out.">> Holy cow. What is that supposed to mean? What people? Does this have anything to do with the Patriot Act? Maybe a roving pack of Mensa members driven by the need to champion O'Reilly's Talking Points?
Originally Posted By JeffG As I posted in the other thread, I don't consider O'Reilly to be a reliable or particularly interesting source of information. Between his background in tabloid television and his more recent selection of an opinion-talk format that I don't personally find overly appealing, he really largely hasn't even been on my radar as far as news sources go. My lack of interest shifted more towards lack of respect when he recently was largely the instigator of the nonsensical "controversy" over people saying "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". I'm not going to get into the game of trying to come up with specific examples of inaccuracies or lack of balance in his show. Like most similar pundits, O'Reilly is obviously going to be careful to cover himself by avoiding clear-cut inaccuracies and by occasionally allowing contrary points of view to be mentioned. I'm sure any examples that I might cite would quickly be countered by his fans with some isolated counter-examples. It really is nothing more than a further distraction from the actual issues and, ultimately, it just helps to give him the publicity that he craves. My issue with commentators like O'Reilly is that they tend to continuously hammer home the facts that specifically support his viewpoint while minimizing those that don't. He might give one or two quick mentions to facts that don't support the point he is trying to make, but they will be drowned out by loud repetition of his two or three focal points. If O'Reilly's format works well for you, then, by all means, keep watching it. I don't feel that I get anything of value from him and would rather spend my time and effort obtaining information from sources that I consider to be more reliable and worthwhile. -Jeff
Originally Posted By TomSawyer O'Reilly is just another guy with an opinion, and his opinion is worth no more than any other to me. Sorry, Joe, I'm going to spend my evening with my family and watching shows I enjoy. I've watched O'Reilly in the past, and I just don't watch that kind of TV show. I don't find them informative or entertaining, since I really don't care what any of the talking heads think.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I don't even get those channels - I have the 'ultra-basic' cable plan. And I'm better off. I went on vacation during the week between christmas and new years and the hotel room had the full smorgy-board of cable news outlets. Made me crazy. On vacation. I can't watch those programs. Well maybe anderson cooper, but that's it.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Well-- I tried No examples --------just hot air and maybe NO ONE is watching so continue Pass et al and keep on not trying to address the immportant issues but only and hide behind "what you do for a living"--------I know what he does it is irrelevant.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I watch the Factor from time to time—I like Bill. I don’t always agree, don’t always disagree. But I don’t understand this insistence on others LPers accepting Bill’s opinion on matters, or even watching him. Bill can be rather dogged and cantankerous at times. If they do not wish to watch the Factor…if it ain’t their cup-o-tea, so be it.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I agree Tigger but they who don't watch should not criticize him just by maybe reading about him. Very simple. I'm pushing this topic on child abuse with Bill because the main stream media has said NOTHING! Nothing in the papers,etc so without Bill there would be NO chance of change.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe It's interesting how not ONE person will watch about such an important subject. Just spend the night with the kids and forget about DOING something about changing the system. It reminds me of one my favorite movies Titanic, and Rose said "One boat, just One boat came back" That's apparently one more than people who will devote 10 minutes to child abuse change tonight. Even if you watch it to criticize, fine but everyone is running scared I guess?
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<but they who don't watch should not criticize him just by maybe reading about him.>> True, but you are assuming they haven't watched him and made that decision. <<I'm pushing this topic on child abuse with Bill because the main stream media has said NOTHING!>> Bill has every right to press it. And if he feel that strongly about it, I'm glad he is. It a part of the fabric of Americanism, speaking out loudly about those thing we deem loathsome. I, too, have my gripes with the sentence. Hopefully, something will be done.
