Originally Posted By Dabob2 Romney in Michigan today mentions that both he and his wife were born in Michigan. Then he adds, and I quote, "No one ever asked to see my birth certificate." The crowd, sadly but predictably, cheered. The Romney spokesman, equally predictably, tried to pass it off as a "light-hearted ad lib," but watch the video. It was clearly a planned remark. Romney is extremely tightly scripted and on the rare occasion he tries to ad lib, it never comes out this smoothly. He's dog whistling to the far right again, even freaking birthers. It's really despicable. The campaign also said that "Governor Romney has long said that he believes the President was born in this country," which means, as with abortion and so many other things, Romney is trying to have it all ways and be all things to all people. A moderate (or at least a sane person) who understands Obama was born in Hawaii, AND a guy who - wink, wink - thinks he's not really American.
Originally Posted By utahjosh That was hilarious. And if the crazies want to believe he means anything more than that, great - they are crazy anyway, and might as well welcome their votes.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yeah, might as well appeal to the crazies who believe that Obama is an illegal usurper of power. Nothing dangerous in that at all.
Originally Posted By utahjosh There is a difference between appealing to and not rejecting. To get elected, sometimes you have to do that, for a greater good.
Originally Posted By ecdc So the religious guys are all for putting aside their values to achieve an ends. Awesome.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>To get elected, sometimes you have to do that, for a greater good.<< Wait, I thought Romney was a "values" guy? One sure has to overlook a whole lot of stuff to be a Romney supporter.
Originally Posted By utahjosh It is better for one man to perish than an entire nation to dwindle in despair. So to speak.
Originally Posted By utahjosh You've never had to compromise? Pres. Obama has never voted for anything that had one ounce of something he disliked because the greater good was achieved? Is the standard perfection?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Are you saying it's okay, in the name of a political win, to blow these dog whistles?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You've never had to compromise?<< Wait, so Romney is dredging up the ugly birth certificate thing because he has to compromise basic fairness in order to secure a win. That's not "compromise." That's selling out. Big difference, but Romney has been willing to say whatever it takes all along, so it's really nothing new. He's told lie after lie, refuses to release his taxes for fear of what that will reveal about his "Believe in America" lie. You know, when Bill Clinton got caught of in the Lewinsky thing, I didn't defend him. I didn't wave it off as no big deal, that because he'd done a good job as president that it didn't matter if he lied. I guess conservatives have a different set of values than they pretend to.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I don't know what you are trying to say, Josh.<< It's a quote from the Book of Mormon when the hero of Joseph Smith's tale, Nephi, is commanded by God to cut off his enemy's head because it'll be better for the country. A curious quote to invoke, on several levels.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan By the way, this sort of crap is exactly why Romney is seen as unlikeable in poll after poll. People know a creep when they see one. But what the heck. If it gets Hank Williams Jr.s' vote, that's what matters for the greater good, I guess.
Originally Posted By ecdc I hear a lot of this Romney-style defense here in Utah. It's a very interesting thing to observe. Here are these people that will tell you drinking coffee is a sin, ditto seeing an R rated movie or even saying a mild swear word. And yet, they'll defend lying, dishonesty, shady business deals, and skimping on taxes.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>for a greater good.<<< For whose greater good? I'd sure rather have a President who I believe at least TRIES to be an somewhat moral person than someone who lies, cheats, panders and manipulates. I think the greater good served if Romney is elected is the greater good of the wealthy, cause it sure won't be for MY greater good.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < I'd sure rather have a President who I believe at least TRIES to be an somewhat moral person than someone who lies, cheats, panders and manipulates. > I've seen that description for just about every president who has served in my lifetime. Pretty sad, really, on many levels.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney It is sad, but I can tell you that I never saw that description next to Obama's name while he was running for President. People said he was Muslim, not born here, not a Christian, didn't have enough experience because he was only a Senator, etc. But I never remember reading things about him that made him look like the dishonest flip-flopper Romney appears to be.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <There is a difference between appealing to and not rejecting. > First of all, if Romney had any cojones, he WOULD reject these guys. But he doesn't so he won't. But you're not even right about the distinction. He said what he did to appeal to them. <To get elected, sometimes you have to do that, for a greater good.> Wow. Kind of says all we need to know right there, doesn't it?
