Originally Posted By mele Since we've been discussing all sorts of religions lately, I was curious how people felt about Armageddon? Do you believe it will happen? What do you think it will be like? Do you think it's a lie? Do you believe in the Rapture? Do you believe we are nearing the "End of Days"?
Originally Posted By dshyates I don't believe in the Bible, so the armageddon story a myth along with the rest of it. And the "End of Days" movement I find as scary as the whole evangelical movement.
Originally Posted By WritingDork I believe that Armageddon will happen. I however do not believe we are nearing it. The bible says that no man will know when the world will end, which is why I find it hilarious when "Christians" make predictions about the end of the world... Moreover people have been predicting the end of the world for a long time. When America was first created people would sell all their belongings because they believed the world was ending in a week... ... ... not so much... that happened a lot...
Originally Posted By Mr X I don't believe it personally. What I find scary though, is that we've got folks occupying positions of power in this world who think eternal bliss is right around the corner, just as soon as we arrange for the end of the world. THAT could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Originally Posted By DAR If it's End of Days somehow the current Governor of California will save us from the one of the guys in The Usual Suspects. If it's Armageddon, it's going to come down between Ben Affleck and Bruce Willis drawing straws to see who saves us. Also making that trip will be Michael Clarke Duncan, Owen Wilson, that one bald southern guy. Watching from the ground will be Liv Tyler and Billy Bob Thorton.
Originally Posted By pecos bill As a non believer of religion, the concept of Armageddon cannot be taken seriously. What can be taken seriously is the devastating potential of our species, as well as the far more lethal natural world. It is disturbing to see the zeal and near glee with which some religious fanatics trumpet this particular prophesy whenever a disaster occurs. They have been calling for it for two thousand years and have not gotten lucky yet. Sooner or later, our number is bound to come up, and in their last minutes they will be watching that asteroid coming at them in absolute rapture, saying "we told you so", to anyone who will listen.
Originally Posted By Mrs ElderP Yes, I believe in Armageddon. I doubt it will be in my lifetime. Since Armageddon didn't happen at the end of WWI, when there was a newly unprecedented level of world violence, not to mention actual fighting on the plains of Armageddon (T. E. Lawrence, et al.), not to metion world wide disease--the first occurance of the world wide flu, if all that wasn't Armageddon then it's impossible for mere mortals to predict and we should live an plan as if we and the planet need to last forever. As for the rapture, hmmm... I don't really think so, I certainly don't imagine it in the same way that the _Left Behind_ authors do. Like I said I expect to watching from "above" (hopefully not below!) so I don't dwell on it so much.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Do you believe in the Rapture? >> The rapture is a doctrine unique to evangelicalism.
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Originally Posted By DlandJB The rapture is a doctrine unique to evangelicalism.>>> But it is not required doctrine. Personally, I don't believe it. I do believe, however, that one day this world will pass away and there will be a final judgement and a new heaven and earth. But I don't think someone driving down the 405 is suddenly going to disappear (especially not on the 405!)
Originally Posted By fkurucz << I do believe, however, that one day this world will pass away and there will be a final judgement and a new heaven and earth.>> That would be the "classical" Christian understanding of the end times. <<But I don't think someone driving down the 405 is suddenly going to disappear (especially not on the 405!)>> You will be hard pressed to find this belief outside of evangelical churches.
Originally Posted By teddibubbles Here is a Message I Gave to someone about this topic. so Im posting it here! If You Hate Bible talk ..dont read this then. its a heavy scripture Topic PEOPLE HATE to deal With! ********************************** yes its the last days.. Jesus is coming back in your life time.. we were waiting untill one sciptue was fulfilled.. in 1940? 1948? Isreal became a nation.. Rememer the Jews rejected Jesus as the promised one.. he said they as a nation where going to fall.. they did untill now 1940s.the word says MARK 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.OK AS YOU CAN SEE WE DONT KNOW THE DAY NOR HOUR! .. but deep bible study shows Isreal is the fig tree.. and he means that when they came back togather >>> THAT<< genreration would not >> GROW OLD AND DIE<< before all things are fullfilled....the Anichrist.. will come to be the head of the united nations or part of.. he will JUMP in when all heck breaks out on earth.. when the disasters world wide come like>> if christains are cooking.. or flying a plaine.. or driving their cars.. or what ever.. and POOF they are gone.. world wide their will be people wigging out becuse their family member is gone..kids gone.. no one behind the wheel of that car..car wecks.. fires as no one is taking care of that fire.. or plane..he will call order to the world.. and the first few of the 7 years left of time.. he will get people to stop stealing ( the old christains money in riots and so on.. by making them get a computer chip or mark on their hand or forhead.. you work ..job pays your bank account.. you scan your mark to buy or sell...(((((BUT EVERYONE THAT GETS THE MARK WILL BE DAMED BY GOD!))))))))))rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.(666)then the only way people that come to god (( the slackers now that know the truth yet want to live their own life!) that come to god.. will have to get their heads cut off by a giliteen.. to get to go to heven.. as they WONT TAKE THE MARK>> NO MATER WHAT IT IS!.. and the ANTICHRIST WILL MAKE THEM DIE! Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Rev 16:17 ¶ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:11 ¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. **************************** John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. john 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
