Originally Posted By Mr X What ever happened to the *proper* method of paying homage to the flag of the U.S.A.? <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/OeditpusRex/1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/alb...nce2.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X Here's another one, from May 1942 in Southington, CT. <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Bellamy_salute_1.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...te_1.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I think the acccepted salute these days is the right hand over the heart. But wow...that kinda freaks me out, dude.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I think the acccepted salute these days is the right hand over the heart. >>> Really? They changed it to that? I've always done it the traditional way, and never could figure out why everyone looked at me funny.
Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer Very interesting. I'm in my 50's and had never heard of the Bellamy salute until now...and ChurroMonster had it right. According to Wiki: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...y_salute</a> "President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942".
Originally Posted By ecdc Francis Bellamy was a socialist. A Christian socialist, but a socialist, nonetheless. So odd how his pledge has been used in the years since he wrote it - essentially to bolster whatever the current movement of the day is.
Originally Posted By mawnck I call fnibbledy-fnoo on the first picture, at least if that 1892 is alleged to be the date. Wrong hairstyles. Wrong clothes. Wrong film stock. Wrong lighting system. ;-) Observe. (And check out THIS salute!) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileledgeOfAllegiance1899.jpg" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...1899.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So odd how his pledge has been used in the years since he wrote it - essentially to bolster whatever the current movement of the day is.<< Especially the way they stuffed "under God" into it in ... drum roll please ... 1954. Take THAT, you heathen Commies!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Especially the way they stuffed "under God" into it in ... drum roll please ... 1954. Take THAT, you heathen Commies! >>> What? Are you trying to tell me they tried to use religion to sway public opinion on a geo-political issue?
Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer >>I call fnibbledy-fnoo on the first picture, at least if that 1892 is alleged to be the date.<< I think that first picture was supposed to be from 1941. At least that's what other sources on the net claim for that same pic. Kudos on your pic too. It will be hard to find anything much earlier than that one. I'm just amazed that most of us, myself included, never would have dreamed there were other variants to the salute prior to the one we use now.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>What? Are you trying to tell me they tried to use religion to sway public opinion on a geo-political issue?<< Actually, I don't think it was that overt. Americanism and civic Christianity became intertwined in the early 1950s and so I think it was a natural progression. IIRC, the phrase was inserted after the Knights of Columbus voted to start a letter writing campaign. I think it was a congressman from Michigan that finally agreed to sponsor a bill. It was signed by President Eisenhower on Flag Day. As was frequently the case with anti-communist rhetoric in the 50s, Eisenhower on that occasion invoked the protection of children as a reason for the change. "Once someone please think of the children!"
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Proof that 1984 was a very poigniant book. People can easily be conditioned where something eventually becomes truth and the "way we've always done it". There may be hope for socialised medicine yet.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<<< I think the acccepted salute these days is the right hand over the heart. >>> Really? They changed it to that? I've always done it the traditional way, and never could figure out why everyone looked at me funny.*** lmao.
