Originally Posted By dshyates This story is so sad, but as a gay man it just breaks my heart. <a href="http://m.cnn.com/primary/_ydI5ED-iN7Jf46CGU" target="_blank">http://m.cnn.com/primary/_ydI5...7Jf46CGU</a>
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I hope Rutgers expels him. No excuse for this kind of behavior from dorm residents and roommates.
Originally Posted By FaMulan Expulsion? I hope the perpetrator feels the full brunt of the law which would be a few years in jail along with expulsion.
Originally Posted By ecdc There's always awful stories in the news. For whatever reason, this one seems a cut above - or below - the rest. It's just terribly upsetting.
Originally Posted By mele Reading this and reading this story earlier this week (<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20018111-504083.html" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...083.html</a>)has been so upsetting. I'm so angry at people who relentlessly work politically and socially against homosexuals. They have the blood of these kids on their hands. Hope they're proud of themselves.
Originally Posted By dshyates Robyn linked this on Facebook, but I thought it should be shared here. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br7nbQSIyhg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...nbQSIyhg</a> It is time we stand up and say that the tone that the christian right has taken the country in regards to gays has got to stop. We even have members right here in our little laughing place who actively work to demonize us. And then claim that there is no hate involved.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'm surprised at my own anger at this. When will we stop framing debates around homosexuality as simply polite disagreement between reasonable people? I don't care how politely you say it. I don't care how nice you are about it. I don't care how toothy your grin is. I don't care how warm your handshake is. I don't care how much money you donated to charity. If you fight against gay rights, if you bully, if you preach it's wrong, You. Are. A. Bigot. Enough is enough.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster If a college dude is exposed on video having sex with a woman it would probably just be something to laugh at. Not a big deal. What is it that makes this event so catastrophic in a person's life that suicide becomes the only option? What these guys did was wrong but suicide is a gross overreaction. In this country, in these times, being gay is not a very deal. Being outed against one's will is just not as devastating anymore. I was outed against my will to my Mormon family. The world did not end. I was outed against my will to Mormon roommates who kicked me out. Life went on. Life isn't as easy for homosexuals as it is for straights but come on. Do you really think these guys had any idea this guy would react like this? I suspect not. This suicide is indeed very tragic and my heart goes out to this young man. I just wish he had some positive influences around him to tell him how not a big deal this video was. This tragedy says more about the emotional state of the individual than the state of religious intolerance in this country.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "When will we stop framing debates around homosexuality as simply polite disagreement between reasonable people?" Yes. I'm still angry about being admined for calling Hista99 a bigot for the ugly remarks he/she made about Gay Day at DL. The action was unfair and has actually caused me to rethink posting on LP. For the administrators of this site to allow people to say such hateful things knowing full well that this is a diverse group of Disney fans posting here is very troubling to me.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm unable to view that video in Japan dsh, could you maybe sum it up for me a bit?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "This tragedy says more about the emotional state of the individual than the state of religious intolerance in this country." I agree with you 100%, however it could very well be that his homosexuality was something that he was ashamed of and the embarrassment drove him over the edge. He was young and possibly closeted or coming to terms with his sexuality. As crazy as it sounds many gay people are deeply homophobic.
Originally Posted By dshyates "I'm unable to view that video in Japan dsh, could you maybe sum it up for me a bit?" It is Ellen giving a special message about bullying. In the past month, 4 teens have taken their lives because they were bullied. It is also up on her site. I don't know if you can see that either, but here is the link. <a href="http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2010/09/an_important_message_from_ellen_about_bullying_0930.php" target="_blank">http://ellen.warnerbros.com/20...0930.php</a>
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster How many of us were bullied as kids? I certainly was. Being bullied just plain sucks but kids are bullied for wearing glasses, being short, being fat, being skinny, being Mexican, and for no reason at all. Why is being bullied for being gay any worse?
Originally Posted By dshyates Ummm, idk, maybe because our society as a whole says that you are not accepted. And huge portions of society say that you are an abomination. Even the short fat/skinny Mexican kid with glasses isn't considered an abomination in the eyes of Our Savior.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster "Ummm, idk, maybe because our society as a whole says that you are not accepted. And huge portions of society say that you are an abomination. Even the short fat/skinny Mexican kid with glasses isn't considered an abomination in the eyes of Our Savior." Society as a whole does not reject homosexuals. Certainly there are segments of society who do but they are outside the mainstream and not really relevant if you don't want them to be. If anything we are seen as comic relief or silly or fun or frivolous for a lot of people which actually bothers me and I hope we can change. But I've been all over this country and I was never treated as an "abomination" because of my sexuality. Guess I should spend more time in West Virgina?
