Originally Posted By oc_dean <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220258/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/gun-toting-soccer-mom-found-shot-dead/#.UO5NpWcbGSp" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...NpWcbGSp</a> Another example ... like Sandy Hook.... Right when you think - Gun Rights are going to protect you - End up doing the opposite! Will America ever learn?
Originally Posted By oc_dean I will always believe - guns purchased for the sake of thinking will keep you safe - are only means to aggravate a situation, rather than resolve.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I thought this was a new incident ... shows it happened 3 years ago. Wish I could change the topic header. If a moderator could change the header ... please do. If not .... you want to pull it .. by all means, go right ahead.
Originally Posted By ecdc How awful. It sounds like yet another situation where something escalated and, odds are, had there been no guns around, these kids would still have a mother and a father.
Originally Posted By fkurucz While the story is dated, it's still relevant. As ecdc said above, had there been no guns in the house that tragedy would probably not have happened. Interesting that she took it to a soccer game. My brother used to ref, and his top concern was violence from parents. More than once he's had an parent charge onto the field, challenging a call. Since there is no security present at the fields, his only defense is to threaten to call the game if the offending parent doesn't leave. I can only imaging what fun it would be to have and angry AND ARMED parent come charging at you, disputing the penalty kick you just whistled.
Originally Posted By oneyepete I didn't know which gun control thread to put this in so here it is. I just thought it was funny. Not intended to be any type of argument/opinion. I'll keep that to myself. Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now think about this: Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor. This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of concern for the public at large, We withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I didn't know which gun control thread to put this in so here it is. I just thought it was funny.<< You were wrong.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Father aims at son's roommate, hits son instead: <a href="http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22343936/el-paso-county-father-shoots-at-sons-roommate" target="_blank">http://www.denverpost.com/brea...roommate</a> What was this guy thinking?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Two shot at California High School today: <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/taft-high-shooting-kern-county.html" target="_blank">http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...nty.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc The NRA likes to depict perpetrators of gun violence as sinister criminals, always on the look out for a gun and a victim. They insist that if we institute gun control, only those "bad guys" will have guns. The majority of gun violence are crimes of opportunity, however. Take away (or at least significantly restrict) the opportunity to use a gun, you take away most gun violence.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Oneeyepete, you should compare the number of procedures rather than the number of physicians to show an accurate assessment of the comparable risks of firearms and health care. According to the CDC, (<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/hospital.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastat...ital.htm</a>)_there are about 268 million outpatient, inpatient and emergency medical visits every year in the US in non-federal hospitals. 36.1 million inpatient stays, 96.1 million outpatient visits and procedures, and 136.1 million ED visits. Physicians interact with patients at least 268.3 million times a year. If there are 120,000 deaths caused by medical mistakes, then the rate per patient visit is actually .00045 The vast majority of gun owners do not interact with their guns as much as doctors interact with patients. Every gun gun owner would have to handle a weapon 383 times a year to have the same accident rate as doctor error. And of course your statistics don't mention the 11,000 intentional murders or the 19,800 suicides that happen on top of the unintentional shootings. The number of deaths in the US that are caused by guns is expected to be higher than the number of deaths due to traffic accidents by 2015. Doctors do make mistakes, but considering that of the 268.3 million patient visits every year the number who die because of doctor error is around 100,000 - .0004% - I'm going to think that doctors are much safer than guns. When you die because of a medical mistake, it was a mistake. When you die because you were shot by a gu, it was because the gun was being used as it was designed and intended to be used.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Take away (or at least significantly restrict) the opportunity to use a gun, you take away most gun violence.>> Hmm... where have we heard this before? Oh yeah... "Take away (or at least significantly restrict) the opportunity to drink and drive, you take away most vehicular fatalities." FWIW, Jon Stewart totally nailed it on Tues night: <a href="http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter" target="_blank">http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...t-hunter</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "Every gun gun owner would have to handle a weapon 383 times a year to have the same accident rate as doctor error." Should be "...to have a comparable statistic)."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Brilliant, Tom. I was going to say something about apples and oranges, but your post will do nicely.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 The guy who tried to shoot the son's roommate instead of the son, eh maybe all involved were turds. I'm not playing the sympathy card on that one.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck A Doctor's blunder damn near killed me. I went to the ER complaining of classic appendix symptoms, I even told the fool it was the appendix, he seemed offended, said I was fine and sent me home. Four hours later it ruptured, and you can guess the rest.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer You saw a doctor and he fixed it, prescribed you medicine for the pain and to fight infection, you stayed in a hospital for a few days, and now you're healthy?
