Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/09/11/alan.turing.petition.apology/index.html" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WO...dex.html</a> ***British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has issued a posthumous apology for the "appalling" treatment of Alan Turing, the British code-breaker who was chemically castrated for being gay.*** Too little too late, if you ask me. And this is another example of why the people who rip on gays for trying to force society to accept their demand for equal rights are dead wrong, and dangerously so. If nobody fights against it, the consequences are unthinkable, as in this case (not as long ago as we might imagine)... And if you want further proof, remember that the Supreme Court has argued this issue recently; I direct you to June 23, 2003... <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90478,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0...,00.html</a> "Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented. "The court has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," Scalia wrote for the three. He took the unusual step of reading his dissent from the bench. "The court has taken sides in the culture war," Scalia said, adding that he has "nothing against homosexuals."" "The justices struck down a Texas Supreme Court (search) ruling that banned "deviate sexual intercourse with another individual of the same sex." The case was brought by two men who were caught by police engaging in an illegal sex act at home. The law "demeans the lives of homosexual persons," Justice Anthony M. Kennedy (search) wrote for the 6-3 majority, adding that the men "are entitled to respect for their private lives." " Sad that we actually have arguments against at this point, but there will always be prejudiced and bigoted people like Scalia in this world...hopefully out of power in the not to near future though.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sadly prejudice exists about everything, It wasn't that long ago that disabled folks were sterolised, and there are a number of people who still do not give a rat's patutie about disability rights (or public health for them).
Originally Posted By Mr X ***It wasn't that long ago that disabled folks were sterolised*** It's ongoing, Dave, sad to say. I won't bother with the link, cause there's far too much vitriol where I read it, but on the subject of an intersexed person (one born with both sexes in some fashion) a poster actually wrote something like "how disgusting! that person should stay in their home, close the shades, and never come outside! I would be ashamed of myself if I were born that way!". Believe it or not, it's a true story (I suppose some might accuse me of lying since I didn't provide the link...so if you really want to see the inhumanity you can go ahead and search through Free Republic and you'll find that and lots more like it).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sadly I am aware, I wonder if they know Jamie Lee Curtis was a haemaphrodite. I was surprised the other day when I met a history teacher that did not know the disabled were murdered in Nazi Germany, and that gays, catholics, communists and gypsies were also sent to Auswitch, Belson et al.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I was surprised the other day when I met a history teacher that did not know the disabled were murdered in Nazi Germany, and that gays, catholics, communists and gypsies were also sent to Auswitch, Belson et al.*** A "history teacher" should be able to pass a far more intensive test than THAT. How pathetic!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Sadly I am aware, I wonder if they know Jamie Lee Curtis was a haemaphrodite.<< Speaking of ... <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2009/09/10/2009-09-10_caster_semenya_.html" target="_blank">http://www.nydailynews.com/new...ya_.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc That headline in the Daily News is appalling. When are we going to stop defining everyone based on their sex organs? If she's a girl, raised as a girl, and identifies as a girl, what's it to anyone else?
Originally Posted By barboy ///When are we going to stop defining everyone based on their sex organs?/// I hope never. ///If she's a girl, raised as a girl, and identifies as a girl, what's it to anyone else?/// Well her ambiguous gender means nothing to me but something extremely relevant to those whom "she" beat in the 800 meter race.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hard call. But it does raise a question about truth. Was Steve Martin a black man in The Jerk?
Originally Posted By barboy I say it's relavant to 'her' athletic rivals because there is an underlying assumption in sports: in just about every ESPN type event (except for poker, darts, high diving, ice skating, cheering, firearm target shooting and a few others, maybe golf too) men clearly have the edge.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Well her ambiguous gender means nothing to me but something extremely relevant to those whom "she" beat in the 800 meter race. << Exactly.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Was Steve Martin a black man in The Jerk?/// Well no, absolutely not. He was a white man raised in a black family. If I adopt a girl from China she doesn't suddenly become "white"; she would retain her gentically 'Asian' disposition irrespective of her new environment.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Okay - so she beat other women in a relay race. What does anybody propose to do about that? Is it "unfair" that she's genetically predisposed to be a fast runner? It's generally acknowledged that the physiology of black people gives them an advantage in competitive running and track events. Yet we don't tell blacks that they cannot compete. Why would it be any different for this athelete?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Then why not have her compete against men then? She does have the male body parts as well....
Originally Posted By ecdc Look, I really could give a rat's ass about the race. The point is, life isn't as simple as all-male, all-female. People aren't just the sum of their body parts. Chromosomes can do wacky things in the uterus.
Originally Posted By barboy ///She does have the male body parts as well..../// Is that a fact or speculation WillaimK99? If fact, then "she" is actually a he wether Caster lived as a female or not and should have to forfeit the accolade. But if Caster's gender is mixed then I have no fair solution to the issue of athletic competition.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Let her race against Jamie Lee Curtis. << Hey! Jamie Lee Curtis needs to give back her Best Actress Golden Globe awards! The Snopes take on that particular rumor (they say "undetermined"): <a href="http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/jamie.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/movies/a...amie.asp</a>
