Originally Posted By mawnck Glenn Beck Crazy Person mentioned the possibility that the onslaught of birther callers to his radio show might be a plot by the Dems and the liberal media. The onslaughting birthers are not at all happy with Glenn Beck Crazy Person for saying such things. Which has put WND in an amusingly squirmy/diplomatic mode: <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=120992" target="_blank">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?f...d=120992</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc Awesome. It's like watching a fight between 9/11 conspiracy theorists: "Bush caused 9/11! No, corporations caused 9/11! No, Bush did, you big pee-pee head!"
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 WND is joke but this is probably the first time I have read an article in which Glenn Beck is the only one making some sort of sense. My entire universe is now out of whack.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What I loved was the link in the middle of the WND article: "Get the must-wear clothing item for 2010! "Where's the birth certificate" T-shirt! " I know it's terrible there are still people so deluded, but it made me laugh anyway.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh A lot of people who believe the President was born in Hawaii would like to see the birth certificate. Here's an article explaining why. <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=" target="_blank">http://article.nationalreview....YTVmZmU=</a>
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ Ah, the tired old "certification" vs. "certificate" routine. Guess what? Different states use different terms. In fact, the federal government has a standard form that it provides states to use as a template for these documents. What is the recommended term on the standardized form? It's "certification" -- the very term that the ongoing birthers movement claims isn't legitimate. Of course, this has all been debunked before but the birthers believe that if they keep saying the same lies over and over again they'll eventually become the truth.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>A lot of people who believe the President was born in Hawaii would like to see the birth certificate. << You being one of them. C'mon. Fess up.
Originally Posted By DAR The President's birth certificate or whether or not he uses a teleprompter are such non issues it's not even funny.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh As the article explains, if you bother reading the whole thing (which it doesn't appear Sport Goofy did), there's a lot of information about the President that has not been revealed, or is contradictatory, and yes, I'd like to know the truth. For some reason, AP can afford to have 11 reporters go to Wasilla and dig for dirt about Gov Palin, or "fact-check" her book, but they're not in the least bit interested in the details of President Obama's history. What was his SAT score? What was his grade point average at Columbia? At Harvard? What was his thesis about? If President Obama is so much smarter than President Bush, how come we know this stuff about the latter, but not the former?
Originally Posted By DAR Doug I'm more concerned with what does his healthcare plan mean for me and others? What is he doing to keep this country safe? Things that matter, all that other stuff is just fluff and has no bearing.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy For what it's worth, in order to get a law degree from Harvard with honors, you have to maintain at least a 3.5 GPA. But you are right, it's embarrassing that President Bush ever let his academic records be released. They just confirm what we already know -- he is intellectually challenged and only got into places like Yale because of his Daddy.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ No. It ranks very high in importance. Since Bush didn't have the intellectual capacity to have any of his own thoughts on policy or direction for this country, it became obvious that someone else would be calling all the shots. When you elect a puppet to office, it's important to know who is pulling the strings.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I'm more concerned with what does his healthcare plan mean for me and others? What is he doing to keep this country safe? Things that matter, all that other stuff is just fluff and has no bearing.> I'm more concerned about healthcare and national security as well, but that doesn't mean these details have no bearing. The kinds of people President Obama hung around with when he was younger had a direct bearing on what his policies are now. If he had been a little more upfront about these details, and if the liberal press hadn't whitewashed his record, while distorting and thrashing Gov Palin's, things might be a little different now. Since it appears that President Obama only got into places like Harvard due to affirmative action and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to have any of his own thoughts on policy or direction for this country, it's obvious that someone else is calling all the shots. When you elect a puppet to office, it's important to know who is pulling the strings.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Since it appears that President Obama only got into places like Harvard due to affirmative action >> Which is why he graduated with honors and was president of the Law Review? No matter how much you want it to happen, we're not going back to the 1950s and the days of Jim Crow. Thanks for exposing your racist views to the rest of us, though.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< A lot of people who believe the President was born in Hawaii would like to see the birth certificate. Here's an article explaining why. <a href="http://article.nationalreview....YTVmZmU=" target="_blank">http://article.nationalreview....YTVmZmU=</a> >>> Oh brother. Lots of hand-waving, lots of smoke, but no fire. You just want to know the truth, eh? Uh huh. The WND article linked to above is even worse. It uses the bait-and-switch trick of logic in several places. For example, there's the apparent rebuttal of the "How do you explain the newspaper announcement?" line of reasoning in that it says that these announcements are generated automatically from birth records provided by the state, but that the state in some cases could issue such an announcement based on indirect information provided by the parents. This is pointed out to dispute the notion that in order to believe that the Hawaii birth certificate is false, there would need to be belief in a conspiracy of sorts to falsely plant the story in the paper. But, even if you accept that the birth announcement in the paper was generated automatically based on state records, you'd then have to believe that an actual birth in Kenya was somehow nearly immediately reported to Hawaii authorities under false pretenses and that a false record of birth was issued. Whether this was done in 1961 shortly after the birth by the mother all the way from Kenya or by whomever is controlling the Manchurian Candidate is quite a stretch, just as much as the placement of a false newspaper announcement, but after having dismissed the latter as wingnut junk, the story conveniently leaves open the possibility of the former.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< while distorting and thrashing Gov Palin's, things might be a little different now. >>> The only people that believe that tend to be hard-core Bible-thumpers that are upset that their fellow thumper wasn't elected to office.
Originally Posted By SuperDry As for me, I think issues such as W's national guard record were far more relevant than finding out the name of the attending physician at Obama's birth, or his kindergarten transcripts. Yet, the very people that stood steadfast in keeping W's records sealed all of a sudden are fascinated with minute details of Obama's life that happened even before he could tie his shoes.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Since it appears that President Obama only got into places like Harvard due to affirmative action and doesn't have the intellectual capacity*** Where the hell do you get off saying crap like this Doug? Have YOU ever accomplished anything as prestigious as being editor of the Harvard Law Review? How ridiculous can you be, bro? (obviously you sink to any depths, but now you just sound like a moron saying that kind of crap)
