Originally Posted By vbdad55 So for all those clamoring for negative ads from the Obama campaign - here we go. I fail to see how this makes things better - but you have your wish..... www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/12/obama-responds-to-mccain-with-own-negative-ad/ Obama hits McCain with own negative ad Links rival to Bush, lobbyists Sen. Barack Obama's camp on Monday depicted Sen. John McCain as a "lurching" lobbyist lover using "old" Washington politics, a harsh response to his Republican rival's "celebrity" ad that a new poll shows may actually help Mr. Obama. A Fox 5/Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll found that 84 percent of adults think the presidential hopefuls are running negative ads, and 44 percent of them said the ads have made them more likely to vote for Mr. Obama. The Obama ad, called "Embrace," shows Mr. McCain hugging President Bush and features six images of the Republican with the unpopular president. It uses the word "old" twice while showing images of the 71-year-old candidate, while the word "old" appears on the screen. The Obama spot also portrays a group walking with Mr. McCain as "the lobbyists running his low-road campaign," even though no one in the shot is registered as a lobbyist. "For decades, he's been Washington's biggest celebrity," the narrator says as the screen flashes shots of Mr. McCain receiving a rousing welcome while appearing on popular TV shows such as "Late Night with David Letterman" and "The View." Mr. Obama has been on both shows. With a shot of Mr. Bush kissing Mr. McCain on the head, the narrator says, "And as Washington embraced him, John McCain hugged right back." The McCain campaign brushed off the Obama ad and posted a Web ad of its own that portrayed the Democrat as an inexperienced rock star that "hot chicks dig." "John McCain is well-known for a lifetime of service to America and his record of fighting to reform Washington, while Barack Obama is simply a worldwide celebrity," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. An Obama spokesman did not respond to a request seeking clarification on the image used to portray Mr. McCain's ties to lobbyists. The shot that suggests that Mr. McCain is walking with "lobbyists" who are "running" his campaign is a bit off message, because the six people shown are the candidate; two Secret Service agents; economic adviser Meg Whitman of eBay fame; Greg Wendt, an investment manager who volunteers for the senator; and traveling press aide Brooke Buchanan.
Originally Posted By DAR So the lesson is that we're going to get the same old same old no matter what.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan the screen flashes shots of Mr. McCain receiving a rousing welcome while appearing on popular TV shows such as "Late Night with David Letterman" and "The View." Mr. Obama has been on both shows. << Obama has never appeared on "Late Night with David Letterman" as that show was on NBC until the early 90's. Since then it has been "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" while CBS has offered "Late Show with David Letterman." I mean, where do they get their facts, Wikipedia?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 the proofreaders @ the Times have likely either been laid off or their jobs moved to India
Originally Posted By mele <<It uses the word "old" twice while showing images of the 71-year-old candidate, while the word "old" appears on the screen. >> Charming. While I do think his age is something to consider it's irritating that it is brought up this way. No kidding, McCain is old. Why say it over and over again as if it's a major liability? Makes me imagine ads where they continually say "black" and show Obama. ***I KNOW*** it's not *exactly* the same thing but it's stating obvious facts about the person, something they can't change, in order to elicit a negative response.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Well, keep in mind this is a Washington Times article, a conservative paper. The "embrace" ad sucks, but the "old" thing as described in the article didn't jump out at me at all. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-SvO10kjw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...SvO10kjw</a> I do think it's valid to show McCain lining up with George Bush's views. McCain ran to the right mor ethan usual this time in order to get the GOP "base" so he can't very well object to it now.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Well, keep in mind this is a Washington Times article, a conservative paper.< it is a good point - likely most other papers won't even acknowledge this ad as negative..but we're back around to that again, two sets of rules
Originally Posted By Mr X I hate it (I truly wish McCain hadn't gone there in the first place!), but I think it's good that he is fighting back.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 oh, I figure on 2 -3 more weeks it ought to be on real good... one more reason to tune them both out at this point - you won't get any more details on how they plan to do anything - and won't beable to believe a thing said. gotta love elections any more
Originally Posted By Mr X Yeah, right? So, Obama is just a celebrity and McCain is just an old insider. Check. (I think we already knew this, though)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 really don't think much of either of them myself- but I stated that a long time ago also. I so wish there was a candidate that had a plan that might actually work, that we could afford -- and wasn't in the pockets of large corporations - but I don'tthink that person exists any more.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I so wish there was a candidate that had a plan that might actually work, that we could afford >> I think we're past the point of affordable, viable plans at this point. There aren't any fixes that don't have a hefty cost associated with them.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 well since we produce next to nothing in this marketplace right now - I am not sure how we are ever going to afford it. The ever growing trade deficit is draining our life blood, and we keep selling off the few remaining parts we have. A services economy cannot sustain a capitalistic society - most services are NOT a critical need - as are many commodities. We are off shoring our future IMHO. God help our kids
Originally Posted By mele I was just thinking today how many, many conservatives complain that liberals are all "doom and gloom" and too negative. I've heard it countless times over the past 10 years or so. Yet, now that the democrat candidate has a more optimistic message of hope and change, he gets bashed for that. And now the right is the side that seems to be so gloomy. It really is a no-win situation.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Yet, now that the democrat candidate has a more optimistic message of hope and change, he gets bashed for that.>> If or when Obama gets elected, if he can pull off what he's been promising, then terrific I hope he does. But the problem I see with many of his supporters is that they're only looking at the packging but not what's in it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I have a feeling my wallet ( and that of every other middle class American ) is exactly what's in the package
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>the problem I see with many of his supporters is that they're only looking at the packging but not what's in it<< Did Madame Leota tell you this?
