Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2020232782_apustacobellad.html?syndication=rss" target="_blank">http://seattletimes.com/html/b...tion=rss</a> Or people who bring a veggie tray to a party. So in the last few weeks- Saying a beauty pagent contestant is pretty is offensive. Teachers using red ink to correct tests and papers is upsetting to students The wussification continues.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The wussification continues.<< No, the "let's pick extreme examples and claim they're the norm" continues.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 No it's the wussification. It's not wanting kids to feel bad because they failed a test. Well guess what you fail a test you try harder. It's giving medals at a kids soccer or baseball game for finishing in 8th place as opposed to 1st. It's being offended for other groups in this country when we don't bother to ask if they are offended. And you know who's to blame for this? White people. Other groups don't have time for all this bs.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I'd be more offended if someone brought a platter of "food" from Taco Time than if they brought a tray of veggies. Taco Time - the food looks the same going in as it does coming out.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's not wanting kids to feel bad because they failed a test. Well guess what you fail a test you try harder.<< Where is this happening? At my kids' elementary school, kids fail all the time. So does my anecdotal story trump yours? >>It's giving medals at a kids soccer or baseball game for finishing in 8th place as opposed to 1st.<< I hear this canard all the time. So we teach six year olds about competition? Getting a trophy for participating has been going on in children's sports forever. As they get older, that ebbs away and the real competition begins in junior high and high school, as it should. >>It's being offended for other groups in this country when we don't bother to ask if they are offended.<< How about not letting the squeaky wheel get the oil? There's always stupid people saying stupid stuff, and unfortunately, the media covers it because it's a sexier headline than, "Most People Are Normal, Move Along." How about not reading stupid stories and getting all outraged by conflating it as the norm?
Originally Posted By Tikiduck While I agree that the trend to insulate kids from the real world has some extremes, there are good sides to it as well. When you were a kid, and some bully had it out for you, your only recourse was to take it. At least now there are people taking action against this. Some say it's just a part of growing up and being a tough, resilient person, but I consider severe bullying to rank among child abuse in mental trauma, and occasionally, physical as well. So if they are coddling the kids a little, why not? If it helps make the passage through childhood a little easier, I'm all for it.
Originally Posted By ecdc Both my kids, ages nine and ten, play basketball on the same team. Their team sucks and they know it. They keep score and the last game was 36-14. My older boy is a great player and usually scores most of their points. My younger son is a taut, compactly built kid, not fat but not limber at all. He's not very good and believe me, he knows it. Still, he likes to play and has fun and feels good being out on the court trying. As he gets older, he'll either grow out of his awkwardness and become more competitive, or move on to other hobbies. And of course, in a few years he won't just be able to sign up, he'll have to try out and face the sting of rejection. But I suppose instead of getting a small, plastic participation trophy as a memory that they played, they should be given an "I'm a Loser" t-shirt, because it builds character. Or something. I'm over people without children whining about the trophy thing. Kids aren't dumb. They know when they win and lose. They like winning, they don't like losing. What exactly do you plan to teach a nine year old by withholding a stupid plastic trophy?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer You can damage a kid by reinforcing the idea that they are dumb. If a kid tries his or her hardest and gets handed back a paper heavily marked with red then he is going to be embarrassed in front of his friends. He's going to have to find another thing to be good at once he "knows" he isn't good at school work. That isn't wussification - it's trying to encourage the kid to keep at his studies without embarrassing him in front of his peers. Handing out trophies or ribbons for participation to younger kids marks the season for them. They know that it doesn't mean that they are league champions - it means that they started something and stuck with it even when it wasn't fun. It is still a measure of accomplishment even if it isn't a measure of outstanding ability. It isn't about making them wusses. It isn't about making them feel good even when they fail. It is about making them feel that their efforts were noticed. You don't gain anything from shaming a child into thinking that they aren't any good at something. You gain a lot when you encourage them to keep trying.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>No it's the wussification.<< You're buying in to the stupid again. Stop it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Post 9 time 1,000! Well said, Tom. And in regards to the topic: A veggie tray picked up at the supermarket with that terrible-tasting store brand ranch? Not awesome. Constructing a replica of a football stadium entirely out of veggies, complete with cheering celery sticks and carrots, green onion cheerleaders with broccoli pom-poms, and radish or cauliflower football players wearing black olive or green olive helmets? Totally awesome. Box of Taco Bell tacos falls somewhere in between.
Originally Posted By barboy Please bring back the Mexican accented talking chihuahua to promote Taco Bell. "Yo quiero Taco Bell"
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I'm sorry but if you're offended because someone made fun of the vegetable tray at a party, you A) have too much time on you're hands B) are way too easily offended C) you are a wuss.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Please bring back the Mexican accented talking chihuahua to promote Taco Bell.<< Not gonna happen, for two reasons: (1) Taco Bell got sued for, and lost, a major plagiarization case regarding that ad campaign (IE they stole the idea for it), and (2) Popular as it was, it didn't have any measurable effect whatsoever on Taco Bell's sales.
Originally Posted By barboy Yep, anybody so easily offended is a wuss. Besides, "isn't that just like a 'wuss'----he brings a veggie platter to a Super Bowl fight"
Originally Posted By ecdc >>A) have too much time on you're hands B) are way too easily offended C) you are a wuss.<< Agree 100% on all counts. All I'm saying is less than 1% of the country would be offended at that. So why on earth make it sound like America is going to hell in a hand basket because, apparently, everyone everywhere is offended at this?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer In the veggie tray story, I don't think that it was so much a matter of being offended as it was a chance to score points in the ongoing conversation we're having in this country about obesity and health nutritional habits. It wasn't whining - it was an educational opportunity for CSPI.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I do remember seeing the ad during a basketball game, surrounded by ads for other fast food, snacks and alcohol, so it sort of fit in with the narrative of what you would see while watching a game. And the ad was meant as a joke, anyone with a quarter of a brain could see that.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<And the ad was meant as a joke, anyone with a quarter of a brain could see that.>> Which pretty much leaves out TB's target demographic.
