Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Let's see McCain and Palin accuse this group of sexism. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080916/pl_afp/usvotewomen_080916152153" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20...16152153</a> >>>WASHINGTON (AFP) - The National Organization for Women (NOW) said Tuesday it had been pushed by the Republicans pick of Sarah Palin as vice presidential nominee to back Democrat Barack Obama for the White House. "NOW is going to be endorsing the Obama-Biden ticket," NOW head Kim Gandy told National Public Radio (NPR), referring to Obama and his running mate Joseph Biden. The 500,000-strong women's movement, which "very, very rarely endorses in a general election", broke with its tradition of neutrality after "the addition of Sarah Palin gave us a new sense of urgency," said Gandy. "She is being portrayed as a supporter of women's rights ... as a feminist when in fact her positions on so many of the issues are really anathema to ours," Gandy said. Republican presidential candidate John McCain electrified his party's conservative base when he named Palin, a devout Christian and staunch opponent of abortion, as his running mate some two weeks ago. The move was seen by some as an attempt by McCain to win over disappointed women voters who had backed Senator Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries, and also saw her passed over by Obama in favor of Biden. "There's no question that a lot of women think it's a great thing for a woman to be running for vice president," Gandy said on NPR. "But they are completely dismayed when they find out her positions. "The idea that she opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest -- those kinds of positions are completely out of step with American women and once they find out about those positions, they get a little less excited about a woman running for vice president," Gandy said. NOW was due to formally announce its endorsement of the Obama-Biden ticket later Tuesday at a news conference.<<<
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "She is being portrayed as a supporter of women's rights ... as a feminist when in fact her positions on so many of the issues are really anathema to ours," Gandy said. Bingo.
Originally Posted By DAR I for one am shocked that NOW is going to endorse the Obama/Biden ticket. Next you're going to tell me that the Teacher's Union will endose them. And then the NRA is going throw their support behind McCain/Palin, well then everything will be crazy. Up will be down. Left will be right. DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER IT'S GOING TO BE TOTAL ANARCHY!!!!!
Originally Posted By DlandDug NOW endorses the Democrats? Stop the presses! And what a Democrat for the nation's (the world's?) preeminent women's rights organization to endorse! Let's see... he said of Hillary Clinton: "You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out." Claws! Get it? Hillary Clinton has those cat claw things. He also said: "I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal." (Try directing that one at John McCain or any other of the men in the race.) Then, of course, he did refer to a working female reporter as "sweetie." But I'm sure he meant it in a completely pleasant, non-demeaning way. But don't take my word for it. Here's what an old liberal woman had to say: >>[Geraldine] Ferraro, in the NYT story, terms Obama "terribly sexist." And, as a result, she says she may not be able to cast her ballot for him if, as anticipated, he gains the Democratic presidential nod.<< <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/geraldine-ferra.html" target="_blank">http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...rra.html</a> Then again, it's more likely NOW is giving this endorsement just to keep conservative women from getting too uppity.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Sweetie, it's not a matter of the GOP trying to turn everything into an attack against us oh so sensitive women who might just faint away if not protected from that big bad man and his big bad words. It's a matter of issues that matter to women's rights and who will be setting us back decades.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh You know, roughly half the babies aborted every year would otherwise grow up to be women. I guess NOW doesn't care about their rights.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie Yes, it's much better to force girls, victims of rape and incest, to have children.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Yes, it's much better to force girls, victims of rape and incest, to have children.>> What percentage of women having abortions are rape victims? Maybe 1/2 of 1 percent? That is a red herring if I've ever heard one!!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>What percentage of women having abortions are rape victims? Maybe 1/2 of 1 percent?<< It doesn't matter if it's 1 in a billion. It happens. If it is a red herring or so rare as to "not matter" then anti-abortion folks could just as easily give on this issue. I mean, if it's such a statistically insignificant number, why not just take the position of being against aborting EXCEPT in the case of rape or incest?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>You know, roughly half the babies aborted every year would otherwise grow up to be women. I guess NOW doesn't care about their rights.<< Speaking of red herrings... Most of the fetuses or embryos aborted aren't yet "babies." But conservatives continue to use the loaded term and show cute, bouncing toddlers insisting this is what's been "murdered." It's a fiction. Abortion is an unpleasant, tough topic. Too bad so many people want to oversimplify the issue.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If it is a red herring or so rare as to "not matter" then anti-abortion folks could just as easily give on this issue. I mean, if it's such a statistically insignificant number, why not just take the position of being against aborting EXCEPT in the case of rape or incest?>> I agree.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I agree.<< B-b-but, this is World Events! You can't just agree! <--- wanders off, muttering, not knowing what to do...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<If it is a red herring or so rare as to "not matter" then anti-abortion folks could just as easily give on this issue. I mean, if it's such a statistically insignificant number, why not just take the position of being against aborting EXCEPT in the case of rape or incest?>> I agree." And this is why I'm being such an ass on Palin and abortion. It's one thing to be against any abortion except in cases of rape and incest. I may not agree with that at all, but I can respect it. I understand where people are coming from there, more or less. But to be against it in ANY circumstance. THAT I don't understand. THAT I don't get. No reasonable, compassionate human being would take that position. And anyone who does needs to keep their sorry a$$ away from any position of authority.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 John Mccain's idea of ending "pork barrel spending" is to cut hundreds of sceintific research programs going on all over the U.S. John Mccain wants to ban stem cell research ensuring a cure to parkinson disease, alzheimers, etc. may never be found Sarah Palin wants to set womens rights back for decades by banning abortions including cases of rape and incest and she will not fight for equal pay in the work force. Sarah Palin kills innocent animals (probably on taxpayers dime) and wants to destroy the few beautiful preserves this country has left to drill for an outdated energy source that wont help us in the long run. John Mccain is at risk of not even being able to complete his first term due to his health which will place an EXTREMLY underqualified person in charge of our countries security. Sarah Palin believs we are living in the "end times" and that "Jesus will reutrn" in her lifetime. She believs Alaska will be one of the last refuges of mankind. Sarah Palin is also part of an organization that hates america and wishes to have Alaska removed from the united states of america. Country first? More like ALASKA FIRST.
Originally Posted By jdub >>Sarah Palin is also part of an organization that hates america and wishes to have Alaska removed from the united states of america.<< SOURCE, please.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 <a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2008/09/01/america-last-sarah-palin-once-a-member-of-the-alaskan-independence-party/" target="_blank">http://campaignsilo.firedoglak...e-party/</a> "Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States. And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always." That isn't the only place the news is reported on by the way I just did a quick google search. It was on CNN and almost every other news site but they tend to downplay it.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt0rLtgmK0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...0rLtgmK0</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>That isn't the only place the news is reported on by the way I just did a quick google search. It was on CNN and almost every other news site but they tend to downplay it. << Uh, Skellington, the reason they've "downplayed" it is they've checked her voting records, and it isn't true. She's a lifelong registered Republican. I assume you're upset about the constant repetition of the "Obama is a Muslim" thing. I don't think it does Obama supporters any good to be making similar specious accusations. Particularly if they're solely based on the word of the leader of a lunatic fringe political party. There are plenty of *real* reasons to hope Palin/McCain don't win. No point in making any up.
Originally Posted By jdub >>I don't think it does Obama supporters any good to be making similar specious accusations. Particularly if they're solely based on the word of the leader of a lunatic fringe political party.<< PreZACTly.
Originally Posted By queenbee <<Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party – which calls for a vote on whether Alaska should secede from the union or remain a state – despite mistaken reports to the contrary. But her husband was a member for years, and she attended at least one party convention, as mayor of the town in which it was held.>> <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html" target="_blank">http://www.factcheck.org/elect...lin.html</a> Apparently, her husband was a member but she was not. Someone from that organization initially said she was a memeber but then retracted the statement.
