Originally Posted By Sport Goofy <a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08142009/watch2.html" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour...ch2.html</a> Very enlightening interview with David Frum on why conservatives should be careful what they wish for in trying to defeat health care reform. You won't hear this guy on Fox News or Limbaugh. He just makes too much sense.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder He's getting ripped by the hard liners in a major way. The designated pit bull attack radio guy, Mark Levin, called him a "puke", inferred his genitalia was too small, and that he was a Socialist in disguise.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The trouble with Levin is that he formerly worked in a Republican Administration, does actually know a thing or two, has a best seller out right now, but he's choosing to dispense with lies, rhetoric and screaming. He's their leader du jour right now, when Limbaugh can't be bothered to take the sandwich out of his mouth and speak. He's the one they're primarily listening to right now. I have maintained all along that the far right talk radio hosts are actually dangerous to the safety of citizens and anyone elected they don't like. They have no filter when it comes to dispensing their special brand of hate, and consider reasonable debate for "sissies". Someone, somewhere, will get either killed or seriously hurt as a result of all this, and they'll deny they had anything to do with it, but we all know there's enough dumb shitts out there who will take the mantra literally after hearing "Obama Nazis are killing our country!"
Originally Posted By gadzuux Quotes from the link: >> What I am concerned about is in the desire to defeat President Obama, the Republicans are going to fossilize a status quo that is more unacceptable to them. << That's succinct. The problem - and where Frum doesn't go - is that this is a calculated decision on the part of his own party - that dealing a defeat for Obama takes precedence over the very real problem of escalating health care costs. It's in corporate and business best interests to contain the spiraling increases in health care costs - up 25% in the last ten years, at an ever increasing pace. That's a topic the GOP cares about. >> The conservative movement in this country is conducting itself in a way that is tremendously destructive. I mean, when you were going on the air and calling the President of the United States a Nazi as Rush Limbaugh has repeatedly done. When Mark Levin - you mentioned him - he said the President of the United States is literally at war with the American people. And then people begin, unsurprisingly, showing up at rallies with guns. Well, obviously, if I believed the President of the United States were a Nazi, were planning a Fascist takeover, it would be contemptibly cowardly of me not to do everything in my power, including contemplating violence, to resist such a thing. Every decent person should do that. That's why you don't say it when it's not true ... you have to have some restraint in the way you talk about them, as you would hope they would have about you. And I think it's just outrageous. It is dangerous. It's dangerous for the whole constitutional system. Now, I'm absolutely prepared to fight with them. And by the way, it's dangerous to conservatives because the effect of the talk of people like Levin and Rush Limbaugh is to kill our cause with voters who are under 65. << So why haven't more reasoned conservative voices been plainly stating the obvious as Frum does here? Because they know they'll be viciously attacked by their own party. Frum knows it and expects it. Speaking truth to power is one thing, but truth to ignorance can be especially dangerous. It's a good thing he isn't running for office.
Originally Posted By DAR <<inferred his genitalia was too small>> Wouldn't that imply that at some point Mr. Levin saw Mr. Frum's genitalia?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 LOL! I wish someone would have called his show and pointed that out to him.
