Originally Posted By Beaumandy It's been a while since this was discussed, but once Libby's attorneys get to grill the high profile couple, Val and Joe Wilson, this story is going to be everywhere again and people will see that the liar is Joe Wilson and that his wife was about as covert as Porter Goss. WASHINGTON - The question of whether Valerie Plame's employment by the Central Intelligence Agency was a secret is the key issue in the two-year investigation to determine if someone broke the law by leaking her CIA affiliation to the news media. Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald contends that Plame's friends "had no idea she had another life." But Plame's secret life could be easily penetrated with the right computer sleuthing and an understanding of how the CIA's covert employees work. When the Chicago Tribune searched for Plame on an Internet service that sells public information about private individuals to its subscribers, it got a report of more than 7,600 words. Included was the fact that in the early 1990s her address was "AMERICAN EMBASSY ATHENS ST, APO NEW YORK NY 09255." According to CIA veterans, U.S. intelligence officers working in American embassies under "diplomatic cover" are almost invariably known to friendly and opposition intelligence services alike. Genuine NOCs, a CIA veteran said, "never use an official address. If she had (a diplomatic) address, her whole cover's completely phony. I used to run NOCs. I was in an embassy. I'd go out and meet them, clandestine meetings. I'd pay them cash to run assets or take trips. I'd give them a big bundle of cash. But they could never use an embassy address, ever." Another CIA veteran with 20 years of service agreed that "the key is the (embassy) address. That is completely unacceptable for an NOC. She wasn't an NOC, period."
Originally Posted By TomSawyer That's a non-issue. If she was classified as covert - and the court has already said that she was - then it is illegal for anyone who knew her identity to reveal it regardless of whether or not the person they are talking to already knows her covert status. No amount of spin is going to change that fact.
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Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <If she was classified as covert - and the court has already said that she was - then it is illegal for anyone who knew her identity to reveal it regardless of whether or not the person they are talking to already knows her covert status.> The court did not say she was covert.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Why can't you guys understand that if she wasn't covert, this investigation would have ended about 30 minutes after it started? Without that simple fact, there is no reason for the investigation.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Why can't you guys understand that if she wasn't covert, this investigation would have ended about 30 minutes after it started?>> Not THAT is interesting. This I happen to agree with Tom and it's why Fitzgerald is a tool. He has admitted he never even looked into her status!!
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<Fitzgerald is a tool.>> For who? Did the "libs" assign him to this case?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>He has admitted he never even looked into her status!! << In court papers released last month, Fitzgerald clearly identified her status and the fact that she met the standards of being covert at the time of her outing by the White House.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Fitzgerald, after making much of Plame being "classified" now says he doesn't have any evidence of her status and he further claims it is now irrelevant.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer It's irrelevant to the current charges facing Libby, which have to do with his lying to investigators. It isn't irrelevant to his ongoing investigations.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer By the way, can you post a link to the article or editorial where you read that, Beau?
Originally Posted By cmpaley Funny how this whole "look over there" thing is used to vehemently by the forces of the extremist Right now, but when Clinton lied under oath about receiving fellatio, it was about the lie. If Libby lied under oath, isn't that a problem or is it, like I've been saying all along, OKAY if you're you're a Republican?
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Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Libby didn't lie Chris.<< I don't recall granting you the privilege of using my given name. I don't know whether Libby lied or not. That's something for the court to decide.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy From the link.. <<Fitzgerald has told the court he does not intend to introduce evidence showing that Plame's career, the CIA's operations or the national security were harmed by the disclosure of her CIA affiliation.>> So after years of the libs screaming Plame was outed and it was a national security problem, Fitzgerald isn't even going to go after that anymore? LOL.. nice scandal libs!!!! That evil Bush administration sure did a great job of getting revenge on poor old Joe Wilson for telling the truth. It's such a huge scandal that Fitzgerald isn't even looking at the original " scandal " anymore. Just proves the point that this was never a scandal in the first plance, as logical people knew in the first place, and that if it wasn't for Libby forgetting whom he spoke with, it would be a big empty nothing.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I don't recall granting you the privilege of using my given name.>> I do. You said that since I understood the beauty that is Star Trek, we are best buds. BWAAAHHAAAAA
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So after years of the libs screaming Plame was outed and it was a national security problem, Fitzgerald isn't even going to go after that anymore?<< Sounds a little like Monicagate, don't it? After years investigating Whitewater and trying to nail President Clinton, it came down to lying about sex with an intern. I know you were against that, too. (rolls eyes)
