Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080907/D932334O2.html" target="_blank">http://apnews.myway.com/articl...4O2.html</a> >>A Roman Catholic, Biden said he accepts his church's teachings that life begins at conception.<< Gee, all those who don't like Governor Palin due to her Christian beliefs, what does this comment make you think?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 You left out the important part: ",but that the issue is personal for him. He said it wouldn't be right to impose his views on others who are just as religious as he is."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 That Biden has it right. As he said in the interview on Meet the Press (which I saw), he believes as a matter of faith that life begins at conception. But he doesn't believe in forcing all Americans, many of whom don't share his faith, to abide by that. I'm a Christian myself, and I don't dislike Palin "because of her Christian beliefs" (nice try.) One reason I dislike her is because she seems willing to force her beliefs on everyone else.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And do you think that a VICE PRESIDENT, who really is a 'do nothing" job for the most part can change the law of the land. I would LOVE to see some additional restrictions on abortion, especially in the third trimester, but does anybody really see Abortion being outlawed, especially since the laws are made by CONGRESS!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Answer the question, Darkbeer. <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-99740-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a> This thread couldn't possibly be an answer.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And do you think that a VICE PRESIDENT, who really is a 'do nothing" job for the most part can change the law of the land." Don't be betray your ignorance like this. She's a heartbeat away from the presidency if McCain gets elected, and stands a good chance of assuming the office because he's not exactly the healthiest guy around. I don't don't Palin anywhere NEAR the Oval Office. Ever.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney <<< Also a Christian (not Catholic), but I also believe life begins at conception. BUT, I have a daugher who is 10 and I have thought about "what ifs" such as what if she were raped, what if a young girl were to get pregnant because her father or brother or grandpa or someone in her family raped her. If something like that happened to one of my dd's, I'd be running out to get the morning after pill for her. And if it were a sin, then that sin would fall on me, because I would NOT be willing to let my daughter, or worse force my daughter to carry a baby to term if she were to get pregnant from rape or incest. Darkbeer and others, can you imagine if you or your daughter at 11 or 12 (or older) were a victim of rape or incest and became pregnant? What would you do in this case??
Originally Posted By dshyates "What would you do in this case??" Beat the guy to death with my bare hands. Oh, you meant for my daughter. Drive her to the clinic and hold her tight.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>Darkbeer and others, can you imagine if you or your daughter at 11 or 12 (or older) were a victim of rape or incest and became pregnant? What would you do in this case??<< My PERSONAL beliefs would have the child have the baby, and then take over as "parents" and let the young teen have her life. And yes, when the baby was old enough, I would let him/her know who the biological parent was. A life is a life, and unless you do something REALLY dumb, like take someone elses life (aka Murder that has the Death Penality attached) then we should protect that life as much as we can.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <but does anybody really see Abortion being outlawed, especially since the laws are made by CONGRESS!> SPP already said it, but you shouldn't betray your ignorance like this. Roe v. Wade means Congress couldn't outlaw abortion if they wanted to, as SCOTUS has found that the individual has a right to one as a matter of a right to privacy. Only SCOTUS can overturn that, and who appoints Justices to SCOTUS? That's right, the President. Which Palin could become if McCain doesn't serve out his term.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "My PERSONAL beliefs would have the child have the baby, and then take over as "parents" and let the young teen have her life. And yes, when the baby was old enough, I would let him/her know who the biological parent was." You would actually force an 11 year old who was impregnated by rape to have the baby?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney "You would actually force an 11 year old who was impregnated by rape to have the baby?" Incest is especially disturbing. A brother, uncle, grandfather.... I could not force my daughter to go through such a thing.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney "Drive her to the clinic and hold her tight." This almost made me cry.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I wouldn't say force, but I would let Nature take its course. I also would make sure that the legal system did its best to prosecute the person who raped my daughter, and make sure they got the strongest punishment possible. Once again, my PERSONAL stance. As for the "law" regarding abortion, I don't see it ever being totally outlawed, but I would love to see additional restrictions placed on the procedure, such as. Parental consent if the child is under 18. (With an exception if they apply to a judicial ruling). No late term abortions.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>"My PERSONAL beliefs would have the child have the baby, and then take over as "parents" and let the young teen have her life. And yes, when the baby was old enough, I would let him/her know who the biological parent was."<< That's fantastic for your personal beliefs. If, god forbid, my wife were assaulted (it's tough to even write the "R" word about her...) and became pregnant, she's told me she'd choose an abortion, and I wholeheartedly support her. I sure as hell don't want Sarah Palin or John McCain telling me we can't make that decision together. I know that it's a divisive issue. I know that those who fancy themselves "pro-life" feel shock that anyone would consider an abortion. But it's precisely how I feel about someone thinking it's their business to tell my wife what she can and can't do - shock and anger. It's not Palin, or McCain, or Obama's business.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I wouldn't say force, but I would let Nature take its course.' What does this mean? "I also would make sure that the legal system did its best to prosecute the person who raped my daughter, and make sure they got the strongest punishment possible." Small comfort. That happens anyway.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer There is a BIG difference between a LEGAL, Mature adult (aka wife) as compared to a child, who is the legal responsibility of the parents. Now, if you asked about my college aged daughter, I would recommend her carrying the child to term, but it would be HER decision at the end.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Gee, SPP, are you having problems with my Catholic beliefs, the SAME beliefs as the Democratic VP candidate Senator Biden has????
Originally Posted By DyGDisney So for your college aged daughter you would let her make the choice, but for your 11 year old you would force her to carry the child of incest to term. Interesting.
