Originally Posted By ecdc So far, so good. It's always funny to see what Republicans won't clap at. "Don't send jobs overseas!" Stone-faced. "Don't let college tuition interest rates double." Silence. How do people support these guys?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Still watching... and the Republicans continue to sit on their fat cat behinds. They only serve their corporate masters. They need to be voted out of office. Like yesterday.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo A week or so ago I was reading (can't recall where) about a bill intriduced by some GOPers aimed a weakening campaign finance law further. In short, it would allow corporations to spent freely and openly on a candidate. I'm on my iPhone right now, so hunting it down is tough. But that would pretty much be the proverbial nail in our democracy. Instead, we'll have an absolte plutocracy (Sen. Smith, TX, Sponsered by GE, "He Brings Good Things to Life."
Originally Posted By ecdc While cynics and Republicans (same thing...oh burn!) will say the speech is just political calculation, I think it's more of an insight into who Obama is. I see a man genuinely frustrated with Washington gridlock and as someone who really wants to accomplish things and get things done. I think that's why he's eager (occasionally too much so) to compromise and just get something passed.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Sen. Smith, TX, Sponsered by GE, "He Brings Good Things to Life."<< Corporations are people too. Why not cut out the middleman and elect Senator GE? BTW ... Nice speech.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck It is bewildering to see these stone faced Republicans pouting like spoiled brats, as the President pleads for a spirit of cooperation and national unity. Anyone who cant see through these pathetic corporate lackeys, is, in my opinion, an imbecile.
Originally Posted By Donny As I agree taxes need to be modified so people pay their fair share I would also agree that people who hire illegals need to be penalized for evading paying taxes needed to help our country.The President also mentioned 25 federaly funded programs we cant afford right now.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper He is a heck of a speaker and I always find myself drawn in and even cheering for him. But, an hour later, I realize he just threw billions of dollars worth of ideas against a wall (ideas we can't afford) and he is hoping some stick. That said, I agree with others that the Republican reaction (or lack of one) is just embarassing. Of course, if a Republican were at the podium we would see the same from the Democrats in the chamber and that is just symptomatic of the dysfunction in DC.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Of course, if a Republican were at the podium we would see the same from the Democrats in the chamber and that is just symptomatic of the dysfunction in DC.<< You've repeated this theme in several threads lately, but the equivalency just doesn't exist. Even longtime Republicans who tend to be more moderate have started to admit that the party is run by the extremists now. There are ways to measure these things, and each and every one of them demonstrates that the two parties aren't the same, and that Republicans are more at fault, particularly on obstructionism.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The GOP reaction still held no hope for compromise. They're willing to work with people who see things their way. What crap. Mitch Daniels reminded me of an out of touch school principal.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Yes, the Republicans are being led by extremists...and I've also been not shy to admit that either. But, if you went back and looked at tapes of Bush's STUs you would find much the same...save for the one in '02 when there was general unity following 9/11. I think the current batch of Republicans are largely idiots. I don't feel much better about the current batch of Democrats. The system is broken and won't be fixed until there is a clear third choice...of which the Tea Party is not.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I think the whole standing and cheering thing is dumb most of the time. The president says something so obviously bipartisan as... "I think families matter!" One side stands and cheers and hoots, the other sits silent as Mt. Rushmore. It's ridiculous and pure theater. And we wonder why people get disgusted with politics and turned off by the whole process.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Mitch Daniels reminded me of an out of touch school principal.> I watched the SOTU. Then when it was over and they went to the hand-shaking portion, I took the dog out for his walk. When we came back in, Daniels was halfway into his response. My husband, who wasn't familiar with Daniels and apparently missed the intro saying who he was, was literally sitting there slackjawed, and just said "Who is this dick? This is the best they could do?" And yeah, "out of touch principal" is perfect. His tone was "I'm scolding you now, but only because I care" mixed with cluelessness about what the problem actually is, let alone how to address it.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The system is broken and won't be fixed until there is a clear third choice...of which the Tea Party is not.< This!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <He is a heck of a speaker and I always find myself drawn in and even cheering for him. But, an hour later, I realize he just threw billions of dollars worth of ideas against a wall (ideas we can't afford) and he is hoping some stick, agreed- he is engaging but yes offering up things no one can afford. But what was this really ? It was a blatant campaign stop instead of a state of the union by Obama and a spoiled brat pout fest from the GOP> It was damn embarassing really. U would rather have seen him call out exactly what's wrong and why it's wrong and what he's going to do ( or try to do) about it. Putting a lot of ideas out there that people will take to the polls with them- that will never be fulfilled will only serve in a re-election campaign, no real world application. We are in such serious mud in DC I can't stand it. AS for the GOP reps there- you were put there to get things done also - look for compromises dammit and let's move things along. Each side ONLY want what they want and nothing less---and the only losers in this are the American people. and if somehow goofball Gingrich ends up the GOP candidate- all we will do is succeed in returning to 20 years ago...Superman where are you ?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Superman where are you ?<< Trying to find his birth certificate after a challenge by Lex Luthor.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>after a challenge by Lex Luthor.<< Who incidentally was elected President in the DC universe, and outlawed superheroes!
