Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html</a>
Originally Posted By avromark Or locally: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/03/terror-suspects.html" target="_blank">http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada /national/2006/06/03/terror-suspects.html</a> ""Ammonium nitrate seized Police also said they seized about three tonnes of the commonly used fertilizer ammonium nitrate. Just one-third of that material was used in the bombing of a U.S. federal building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people in 1995.""
Originally Posted By Beaumandy But the terror war is not real. Bush is hyping it for his buddies at Haliburtan and to get revenge for his daddy. Or so I hear.
Originally Posted By jonvn Oh, the terror war is important. It's just a shame we are screwing it up so badly.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy How many attacks have we had here on our soil since 9-11 and how would you do it better?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I believe Canada did that without an equivalent of the "Patriot Act," no? Just solid police work.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You don't know that DAbob. You don't know if the USA helped them by sharing info. You also don't know how many terrorists attacks we have stopped by using the patriot act. You also can't tell us anyone who has been arrested and had their rights violated because of the partiot act. Or can you?
Originally Posted By jonvn How many attacks? None that I'm aware of. You know what else I've not seen? Not one single bengal tiger attack has taken place anywhere in Utah since 9/11. That must be because of the war we have on bengal tiger attacks. What would I have done better? 1) Attack Iran instead of Iraq. 2) And Syria. 3) Not make Pakistan an ally. 4) Not infuriate and alienate the entire world, who were ALL on our side right after 9/11. We've made some very serious missteps.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<What would I have done better? 1) Attack Iran instead of Iraq. 2) And Syria. 3) Not make Pakistan an ally. 4) Not infuriate and alienate the entire world, who were ALL on our side right after 9/11.>> jon, I don't agree with you or your last post on hardly anything but I do have to admire you for never backing down and actually giving a counter plan to the war on terror. That is rare on here. Are you for attacking Iran and syria now?
Originally Posted By jonvn Yep. That is what we should have done in the first place. Oh, and one more thing about F9/11. When he mentions the stocks that the Bush family owns, know what I did? I went out and bought some, and I've done quite well with them. Thanks to Michael Moore, I made quite a bit of cash.
Originally Posted By jonvn Oh...wish this thing had an edit feature, what I said was for another topic. Anyway, what we should also do is stop trying to kill these people NICELY. They are enemy states. They are all our enemy and we need to recognize that the only way to stop these countries is to basically decimate them, and not try to make them be nice, because they are not going to be nice. The governments are are reflection of the people in the country, and they all want us dead. If we behaved this way during wwii, we would have lost.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <You don't know that DAbob.> I'll defer to our Canadian LP'ers. Does Canada have an equivalent of our "Patriot Act?" <You don't know if the USA helped them by sharing info.> You don't know that either. <You also don't know how many terrorists attacks we have stopped by using the patriot act.> Nor do you. Nor Bengal tiger attacks. Nor how many we stopped just because we're more focused on terrorism since 9/11, and didn't need the patriot act for at all. <You also can't tell us anyone who has been arrested and had their rights violated because of the partiot act. Or can you? > There was an excellent "Now" program on about the increase in secrecy in the past 5 years. One of the provisions of the P.A. is that librarians can be compelled to turn over records of what you check out, and are not allowed to talk about it. If that, for instance, has led to arrests, how would we know? We know that the government has arrested certain people without charge, indefinitely, who have disappeared into a black hole and sometimes given to other countries to torture. How were they chosen? Maybe they were really bad guys (which still doesn't excuse the torture), but maybe they weren't. We've wrongfully arrested people before. We do know that some of the people we've arrested thinking they were the most extreme terrorists - some of the ones we sent to Guantanamo - were innocent, and they were released and sent home without charges. So much is secret, how can we know? We didn't know they were tapping international calls till that was leaked. We didn't know they were compiling everybody's phone lists until that was leaked. What's going to be the next revelation? This isn't how our system is supposed to work. And frankly, simply invoking "national security" can not be the new last refuge of scoundrels.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Anyway, what we should also do is stop trying to kill these people NICELY. They are enemy states. They are all our enemy and we need to recognize that the only way to stop these countries is to basically decimate them, and not try to make them be nice, because they are not going to be nice. The governments are are reflection of the people in the country, and they all want us dead. If we behaved this way during wwii, we would have lost.>> On this I agree big time. I think part of the reason the support for the war is low is because we are not fighting to win, we are fighting a PC war that is getting our soldiers killed and making this thing drag on.
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy Dabob, you must be able to give us at least ONE or two examples of people who have been arrested or taken away in the night because the Patriot made them victims where they lost their civil rights. It really is time to put up or.... Why not ban the patriot act? Why not pull out of Iraq today? Why not cancel the NSA progam? Your democrat leaders have had their chances to vote on these things and they always back aways when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is? Nice party those democrats have.
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Originally Posted By jonvn "I think part of the reason the support for the war is low is because we are not fighting to win" This is one of the big reasons. The other big reason is we attacked the wrong place.
Originally Posted By fkurucz What I find interesting is that "friendly", "tolerant", "enlightened" and "neutral" Canada was even targeted.
Originally Posted By jonvn They are the west. What these other countries, like France, don't realize is that you can't be nice to these people. They are killers, and they want us all in the west dead, and they've been this way for decades. How people can cozy up to these sorts, who in Israel for example, would blow up school buses full of children, is beyond me. They should be given no tolerance, and not one shred of the benefit of the doubt. What we have done in Guantanimo is idiocy. Why are these people even alive? They're terrorists? Kill them. End of story.
Originally Posted By Lake Nona I just find it funny that this group went to a local Tim Hortons and washed their hands after a terror camp session. Don't these kids play hockey anymore? Kudos to CSIS and the RCMP.
