Originally Posted By DAR <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_us/us_financial_aid_states;_ylt=Akns6OKPirKC7Fi_yqYiYums0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNtOHVsZjYwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODEyL3VzX2ZpbmFuY2lhbF9haWRfc3RhdGVzBGNjb2RlA3JhbmRvbQRjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzMEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNzdGF0ZXNjdXRhaWQ" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...jdXRhaWQ</a>- Well I guess this is one way to pay for Health Care.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer This doesn't have anything to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with declining state tax revenue due to falling retail sales and property values.
Originally Posted By DAR <<This doesn't have anything to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with declining state tax revenue due to falling retail sales and property values. >> Sure it does if we want to pay for it we're going to have take from money from things like education, the military.
Originally Posted By DAR See I'm not worried about "death squads" or rationing my health care. Or having to wait six months for an MRI, I'm worried about how can we afford this without raising taxes or cutting vital programs in this country.
Originally Posted By ecdc We're the richest country in the nation. Our citizens pay, on average, $6,500 more for healthcare than other countries with much better systems. This isn't about the money. And the fact that people say it is shows how greedy this pathetic country is. "Don't raise my taxes! Shame if that little boy with leukemia dies because his parents can't afford it. But don't raise my taxes!" My god this country is so selfish.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 "Don't raise my taxes! Shame if that little boy with leukemia dies because his parents can't afford it. But don't raise my taxes!" And the joke is those types of people probably go to church every Sunday and pray for God to cure that poor little boy. But sadly, when someone actually offers them a way to help cure him, i.e. by raising taxes to pay for his health care, they cry foul and don't want to pay!! It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing!
Originally Posted By ecdc Yup. I think if you oppose healthcare reform and you get sick, you have to pray it way. Come on, America! We always hear about what a great, Christian nation we are. If we're so great, let's pray all the disease and sickness away. That'll get costs down and then we can afford it. We just need anyone who's against healthcare reform and a Christian to stop going to the doctor. Should be easy - I'm pretty sure those people carrying swastikas and guns to town halls call themselves Christians. Let's start with them.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Even from a cost perspective, health care becomes more expensive if we do nothing about it than if we enact health care reform. The people who complain that it will "cost too much" haven't anaylzed how much it costs to let the current system continue its spiralling inflation that is much worse.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Even from a cost perspective, health care becomes more expensive if we do nothing about it than if we enact health care reform. The people who complain that it will "cost too much" haven't anaylzed how much it costs to let the current system continue its spiralling inflation that is much worse.<< Bingo.
Originally Posted By DAR <<"Don't raise my taxes! Shame if that little boy with leukemia dies because his parents can't afford it. But don't raise my taxes!" My god this country is so selfish.>> Shame if a high school student who comes from a lower income family has a chance to go to school to maybe one day become a doctor who could treat another child.
Originally Posted By hopemax Yep, hidden away in the debate about health care reform, is that many businesses are on board. They understand that they are being crushed by the ever increasing costs of providing health care coverage to their employees. They understand that their competitors in other countries are able to provide their goods & services for cheaper because they do not bear the burden of the health care costs. Remember all the screaming about the US automakers having to deal with the weight of the pensions affecting their ability to be profitable? The same thing is going to, and already is happening with health care coverage. Without reform, the burden will be pushed from employer to employee, which will not help the already stretched balance sheets of everyday Americans. What you do not pay in taxes you will pay in increased premiums, co-pays, OOP expenses, etc. Or you will go without. And a US work force made up with people who don't go to the doctor when they are sick, or get treatment for their ailments is not going to help businesses remain competitive with the rest of the Western world, because it will start to have an effect on productivity. Sick people don't perform as well as healthy people. Sick people have to be replaced more frequently, which impacts hiring/training costs as well as the impact of "brain drain."
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Shame if a high school student who comes from a lower income family has a chance to go to school to maybe one day become a doctor who could treat another child.<< Yeah, cause that's the choice we're faced with. Either get sick kids help or take kids education away. DAR, how much do we pay Halliburton? How much do we pay Blackwater? Ironically, the Republicans you're so quick to defend funnel government money to big businesses or support them with obscene tax breaks. We could easily afford this stuff if we changed that kind of behavior. The money is there, DAR. It's just that no one wants to give up their piece of the pie, so they paint absurd pictures of death panels and kids being booted from school, just so we can pay for healthcare.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Shame if a high school student who comes from a lower income family has a chance to go to school/// Drive pizzas around for basic wage and tips, do some erotic dancing at a strip club, serve some food at Applebees, sell drugs on the side, work in Uncle Rick's auto repair shop on the weekends, pick up some shifts at Wendy's, baby sit, tap into some filthy rich philanthropist's foundation..... do something but don't expect me to pay for your college. But if I do help pay for your credentials then you owe me when you land a job. If you're a dentist I have a third molar you can pull for free.
Originally Posted By DAR So if you take away that money from Haliburton or Blackwater and we should, we're still going to have to cut programs to make this work.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ We're going to have to cut funding for things regardless. You don't seem to get it.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Why is it so acceptable to take money out of your wallet and give it to an insurance company's profit margin, but not acceptable to give the same amount to make sure some kid with leukemia can get treated for it? Why do some think it's better that some insurance company middle manager can afford a slightly bigger TV than to give flu shots to the elderly? And do we really want to pay for someone's communications or art history degree at the expense of someone else's dialysis or chemotherapy? People are still going to be able to go to college, though they might have to go to cheaper schools and work part time to do it.
Originally Posted By DAR <<but not acceptable to give the same amount to make sure some kid with leukemia can get treated for it?>> What's wrong with giving through private charity?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << What's wrong with giving through private charity? >> Why don't charities pick up the bill for education?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<What's wrong with giving through private charity?>> Why is this always a response from conservatives? So what, you're ok with giving your money away to help others, but only when you feel like it? That's the system we've got now, and yet still, even with all these charities you're so fond of, we still have millions of people without proper health coverage.
