Originally Posted By Mr X Now with the defeat of Murkowski of Alaska, we've got 5 "establishment conservatives" who've been taken out by tea party types (Marco Rubio, Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and now Joe Miller). Party unity is shattered, the inmates appear to have taken over the asylum. Thoughts?
Originally Posted By Donny No the Tea party is more of an ideal then a party,it would be nice to see some Dems join the Tea Party.
Originally Posted By ecdc An ideal? Yes, ignorance (they claim to be all about taxes yet know nothing about taxes) is definitely an ideal.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones When Glenn Beck was telling folks to turn to God, great. They are all free to do that. I'm not going to turn to God though. I'm not going to pray, and I don't think the country is worse off because I don't do those things. And I don't think the country is any better off if more people do those things. The people are Glenn Beck's rally were probably already doing those things. They are free to do those things. No one is stopping them. It's really a rally about nothing.
Originally Posted By ecdc It's a rally about validation. The peole there are basically being told that if people who aren't like them were like them, all would be well.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, aside from the rallies and all that, my concern is that they've become such a frightening force against "mainstream" Republicans that said Republicans become essentially tea partiers themselves. Case in point...John McCain. That, too, is what I mean by "taking over", though I hadn't quite formulated it when I created the topic.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 Have they taken control of the Republican party? No. Are "republicans" more willing to vote for Republican tea party members now? Yes. It is still amazing how many people in this country can be persuaded to join something just because "different must be evil"
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "When Glenn Beck was telling folks to turn to God, great...." What does that mean anyway? Turn to God? Which God and which church? Can some of you religious conservatives explain that to me please? With the unholy union of ego maniac Beck, bigoted John Hagee, and that imbecile Sarah Palin on stage together last Saturday in Washington it's anyone's guess what the hell Beck is talking about. As a former Catholic turned Mormon, I guess Beck wasn't suggesting that we head to the nearest cathedral, do hail Marys, and confess our sins to the priest. Let’s not even start with the LDS Church's long ugly history with gays and blacks. None of it was very Jesus Christ-like to put it mildly. As for Palin, she seems far more interested in being in the political spotlight than being a role model for Christ. Finally, Hagee, with his fire and brimstone admonitions, just seems to hate everybody. So surely Beck wasn't suggesting that he and his two buddies are examples of what turning to God looks like, was he?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Yes, the tea partiers have taken over the Republican party. The John McCain example is a good one. You don't live to be as old as he, with as many years in politics, then just change your opinion. Politicians change their opinions because said change will win votes, good or bad it's the truth. The tea partiers are voting and their numbers are growing. They have NO idea what they are rallying around, except they don't like that there socialist, marxist president...at least they are told not to like him, he's a scary muslim. The true Republicans, Abe Lincoln Republicans, need to reclaim their party. The tea partiers should go elsewhere.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney WHO in their RIGHT MIND would still vote for Sarah Palin for anything after she resigned her post as Governor? She obviously can't take the heat and only cares about being famous. Can you imagine what would happen if she DID become president??
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt She'd probably gleefully step down for a spot on Dancing With The Stars.
Originally Posted By Labuda "bigoted John Hagee" Oh my God. Way to bring up something unpleasant from my past. I grew up with Mr. Hagee's son and what a little &&&& he was. Horrible, horrible child. Stupid, racist, rude, and thought he was better than everyone else and above the rules. Kind of a junior version of his dad, I guess.
Originally Posted By Donny Do Dems not beileve in God ???As far as Hagee I won't defend him and I would never vote for Palin for President.But the Tea Party for me is mainly about focuses on smaller government, fiscal responsibility, individual freedoms and upholding a conservative view of the Constitution.The G.O.P. has largley rejected the Tea Party.Thats a fact
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But the Tea Party for me is mainly about focuses on smaller government, fiscal responsibility, individual freedoms and upholding a conservative view of the Constitution*** I'm cool with the first two, generally speaking. I'd like further explanation on your last two points though. What "individual freedoms" are you talking about? What constitutes a "conservative" view of the Constitution?
Originally Posted By Donny individual freedoms... my right to carry a gun,,,my right to not have a pool fence,,,my right not to have to not have health care, blah blah blah
Originally Posted By Mr X The first one is guaranteed, so you have no problem. The other two are idiotic. Why do you want idiotic "freedoms"?
Originally Posted By Mr X Exactly how much "individual freedom" are you advocating, anyway? Lack of a pool fence is an interesting angle...you DON'T want to protect neighborhood children from getting killed? That's cool with you? Any sensible laws to protect the community are anathema? How about my right to blast my music at 150 decibels from my home at any time, day or night? Is that an "individual freedom" you're okay with if I'm your neighbor? I won't EVEN touch the idiocy of someone "not wanting health care". That's just beyond stupid.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>my right to not have a pool fence<< How about the big pool fence being built along the border?
Originally Posted By ecdc From the sound of it tea baggers seem most interested in the freedom to embrace truthiness.
