Originally Posted By ecdc I think Seth Meyers hands-down had the best line on this: Conservatives call Obama "Hitler," then pass an immigration bill in Arizona that actually makes police ask to see your papers. Is there anything more Naziesque than saying, "Show me your papers?"
Originally Posted By SuperDry You're missing something: It's not "them" that will be asked for papers. Under the AZ law, not everyone stopped by police will have to show immigration papers - only those suspected of being illegal immigrants. That is, the people with a darker complexion that can't speak English that don't belong here in the first place. Nothing to worry about if you're a real American.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Nothing to worry about if you're a real American.<< And how do I prove that? Will I have to carry my passport at all times? Don't get me wrong, I definitely am against illegal immigration. But shouldn't we be enforcing this better at the workplace? If illegals can't get jobs then they won't come and those that are are here will self deport. And yes, I know some will slip through the cracks. But I don't want to live in a police state.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones If illegal immigrants can't get jobs there goes Arizona's economy... If you are brown skinned and have an accent, head on over to Arizona if you want to become a Supreme Court precedent.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< And how do I prove that? Will I have to carry my passport at all times? >>> Do you look like an illegal alien? If not, then nothing to worry about. The AZ law says that proof of legal presence is required only if the officer suspects you're an illegal. If you don't look like an illegal, then you have nothing to worry about.
Originally Posted By hopemax I was wondering if there was going to be a thread about this. If you were wondering how they will tell who is "illegal" and who is not...they can always listen to this guy <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BlskNRJ7c&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...embedded</a> More seriously, the Maricopa County Sheriff is already under investigation for his tactics in enforcing existing immigration law. As much as state officials say there will be no racial profiling, there already is.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Do you look like an illegal alien? If not, then nothing to worry about. The AZ law says that proof of legal presence is required only if the officer suspects you're an illegal. If you don't look like an illegal, then you have nothing to worry about.*** What does an illegal alien look like?
Originally Posted By alexbook Once again, I find myself wondering if it's possible to sue the authors of blatantly unconstitutional laws for the state's expenses. This will cost many thousands, if not millions, of dollars in legal fees, before the law is eventually, inevitably, overturned by the Supreme Court.
Originally Posted By Labuda "What does an illegal alien look like?" I think it has a lot to do with having brown skin.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< "What does an illegal alien look like?" >>> To borrow a phrase from Justice Stewart, they'll know it when they see it.
Originally Posted By pecos bill These days if a person has no drivers license and speaks no English, you have a pretty fair indicator that person is an illegal alien, legally they can be brought in as vagrants and checked out accordingly. I dont know if I like it or not, but this affair is a bigger problem than most people realize, especially in Arizona, and desperate times call for relatively desperate measures.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I dont know if I like it or not, but this affair is a bigger problem than most people realize, especially in Arizona, and desperate times call for relatively desperate measures." It's not a far bigger problem than most people realize. There are pros and cons to immigration, even illegal immigration. The sky is not falling and the Arizona law is completely insane.
Originally Posted By DAR I'm not crazy about the whole, "Let me zee you paperz." deal but I don't think anyone would disagree that our borders are an issue that needs to be fixed.
Originally Posted By Mr X Being an alien resident (of the legal sort) myself, I've been modestly harassed by cops from time to time, and I know full well what is about to befall those poor bastards living in Arizona now. They are about to find their lives filled with unwarranted harassment and hassle, and God forbid they actually forget to pack their green card one morning on the way to the office! For the record, as an American immigrant, I've only been harassed a handful of times and in the process I've been treated with a fair amount of respect and deference. Friends of mine who are of Korean decent residing in Japan, however, have told me far worse stories. I wonder if that'll be the same for, say, a German immigrant living in Arizona vs. a Mexican one. Nahhhh...no way!
Originally Posted By alexbook >>I'm not crazy about the whole, "Let me zee you paperz." deal but I don't think anyone would disagree that our borders are an issue that needs to be fixed.<< Why? Seriously, why? I keep hearing that immigration is a problem, but nobody seems to give a reason why. Why not just throw open the borders to anybody who wants to come here and work or study?
