Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/...dex.html</a> Is this a just verdict? If yes, why? If not, is the verdict because of race? Or is it a class issue - those with power vs. those without it?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The guys were unarmed? And here I always thought a speeding car made a pretty good weapon. If Sharpton thinks the verdict is wrong it can't be too bad. Any 'victim' who would climb in bed with that sleaze-ball loses a lot of credibility in my book. One more example of the old saying... "Nothing good happens on the street after 2:00 AM" If you are out at that time you're taking your chances. Oh... for your question. The verdict is because of the facts of the case. No need to play the race card here. Two of the three cops charged were black.
Originally Posted By barboy "Any 'victim' who would climb in bed with that sleaze-ball loses a lot of credibility in my book." What's that all about RT? The victim **is dead** and thus had no choice as to who might show up to the party. The victim certainly didn't invite Sharkton. Oh and it's good they unloaded 50 in the guy because 4 shots is just never enough. They murdered Belle: 1) you see cops get a little angry if one challenges their authority like racing away or striking a police car or their dogs. And if a black male is the one challenging then cops usually get even more ticked off. 2) dead people usually don't testify, hence the 50 bullet unloading.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The victim **is dead** and thus had no choice as to who might show up to the party. The victim certainly didn't invite Sharkton.>> I was speaking of the fiancé, who was certainly a victim of the incident regardless of the cause. <<Oh and it's good they unloaded 50 in the guy because 4 shots is just never enough.>> You think a car is coming at you and going to run you over and you shoot the shit out of it. I have no problem understanding that. << you see cops get a little angry if one challenges their authority like racing away or striking a police car or their dogs. And if a black male is the one challenging then cops usually get even more ticked off.>> Has that impact on black cops too, huh? Sorry. There are plenty of times when black people are screwed by the justice system. This was not one of them.
Originally Posted By barboy "You think a car is coming at you and going to run you over and you shoot the shit out of it." Here's a novel idea--- why not move out of the way, easy to do--- I've done it. These cops aren't on crutches or in wheelchairs stranded in the street as an easy target. But you don't understand---- you see it is so much more fun and manly to discharge your weapon than to just move one's body to the side or take cover. People become cops because they like to shoot and slap cuffs on people; it gives them a rush. You must know that. They sure aren't in it for the pay. So if given the chance to move to the side like a "coward" or blast away like Dirty Harry, take a wild guess and as to which they will do.
Originally Posted By barboy "If Sharpton thinks the verdict is wrong it can't be too bad" Well that statement does us no good. Just think this out logically: wouldn't it add more credence to the theory that the death was justified if he didn't get involved, no?
Originally Posted By barboy "Has that impact on black cops too, huh?" Oh yes, yes indeed--- perhaps more even. Something to ponder(and all of you jury pickers out there can chime in): in this age black juries can be even tougher on black criminal defendants than white jurors. (and at the risk of leaving our topic, women jurors have been known to be unsympathetic towards complaining female witnesses in sexual assault cases too--- it does happen.) If you think because a cop is black that he/she won't target or abuse black street youth, I would have to say that is just too naive.
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Originally Posted By WilliamK99 W/B Beaumandy... I don't think causing riots will solve this situation at all...
Originally Posted By barboy It will be a better day around here when Sharkton and Action Jackson pack up and leave--- same with that other trouble maker "I want all the Glory" Allred.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Since when is a march a riot? I think Sharpton is at least part charlatan, but he's never incited a riot AFAIK.
Originally Posted By DAR Nothing ever good comes if you A)Charge towards a cop. B)Runaway from a cop. C) It increases the darker your skin is. D) The lesson is if they tell you to stop you stop.
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The only people who riot and end up hurting people or going to jail are Democrat supporters.>> Sorry Beau, not only do Republicans riot, Bush-Cheney organization INSTIGATED riots. <<It was the decisive moment. In all likelihood, it cost Gore the certification and, perhaps, the election. In the interval between the decision to do a partial recount and the decision to cancel it, there was a minor Republican riot inside and outside the county building. When the canvassing board moved to a new room that made observation more difficult, GOP Representative John Sweeney of New York ordered, "Shut it down!" and, in the words of Wall Street Journal columnist Paul Gigot, who witnessed the scene, "semi-spontaneous combustion took over." Republican observers of the election pounded on doors and walls. Democratic observers trying to give interviews to the press were shouted down. Television cameramen were punched. A Democratic counter falsely accused of stealing a ballot had to be given police protection. A canvasser told Bill Redeker of ABC News right after the demonstrations that he had been "convinced that what we were doing was perceived as not being fair and open." Approached by reporters, the demonstrators strangely would not give their names. We now know that many of them were Republican House staffers, organized by the very Tom DeLay who had said the election was being stolen. Others were operatives of the Bush campaign. It was not Vesuvius; it was a taste of lava from a small crack that had been opened in the volcano. But it may have been enough to deny Gore the White House. Gigot commented, "If it is possible to have a bourgeois riot, it happened here Wednesday. And it could end up saving the presidency for George W. Bush." It is, indeed, possible to have a bourgeois riot. Without suggesting any historical equivalence, let us recall that Mussolini, Hitler and supporters of Pinochet, among others, managed to do it.>> Source: <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20001218/schell" target="_blank">http://www.thenation.com/doc/2...8/schell</a>
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Look up freddies Fashion Mart and see what the Democrat Sharpton stired up that day.> I live in NY, Beau. The guy who torched Freddie's was an open CRITIC of Sharpton and his non-violent approach. Sharpton can be a charlatan at times, a clown at other times. His tactics of snarling traffic and things like that anger people and are counterproductive. But he's not a rioter. He fancies himself a modern-day King and organizes non-violent marches. He's far, far from King, but that's his model. And RT, kudos for remembering the Florida mob during the recounts. One doesn't have to read the Nation (though the account is accurate); it was on TV. I remember my jaw dropping when I saw these well-connected GOP operatives shutting down the process and rioting (and that is the right word) like that.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I remember my jaw dropping when I saw these well-connected GOP operatives shutting down the process and rioting (and that is the right word) like that.>> One of the few times white men rioted in the last 50 years.
