Originally Posted By mawnck Wow! I was able to type that title without my computer exploding or my fingers falling off. Anyway .... >>She made three interlocking points. First, that the United States is now governed by a “permanent political class,” drawn from both parties, that is increasingly cut off from the concerns of regular people. Second, that these Republicans and Democrats have allied with big business to mutual advantage to create what she called “corporate crony capitalism.” Third, that the real political divide in the United States may no longer be between friends and foes of Big Government, but between friends and foes of vast, remote, unaccountable institutions (both public and private).<< >>Ms. Palin’s third point was more striking still: in contrast to the sweeping paeans to capitalism and the free market delivered by the Republican presidential candidates whose ranks she has yet to join, she sought to make a distinction between good capitalists and bad ones. The good ones, in her telling, are those small businesses that take risks and sink and swim in the churning market; the bad ones are well-connected megacorporations that live off bailouts, dodge taxes and profit terrifically while creating no jobs. Strangely, she was saying things that liberals might like, if not for Ms. Palin’s having said them. “This is not the capitalism of free men and free markets, of innovation and hard work and ethics, of sacrifice and of risk,” she said of the crony variety. She added: “It’s the collusion of big government and big business and big finance to the detriment of all the rest — to the little guys. It’s a slap in the face to our small business owners — the true entrepreneurs, the job creators accounting for 70 percent of the jobs in America.”<< <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/us/10iht-currents10.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09...s10.html</a> HAROLD CAMPING WAS RIGHT! IT'S THE END TIMES! Sure would have been nice to hear this kind of thing from our President last night .....
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Hmmmmmmmm. Wonder if she's attempting to carve out a niche for herself if she does run? There's certainly no one in the field now - except sometimes Ron Paul, sorta - staking out that sort of appeal. It can't endear her to Fox News, her sort-of employer. Then again, most Fox News viewers wouldn't even make the connection that News Corp. is the kind of crony corporation she's talking about.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip If she were nominated she would win. I don't see that happening though... the big money people won't let it happen.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I can't say I disagree with any of those statement-- I want the person who wrote them for her to step forward... I know that sounds harsh but some of those are quite the moderate stance, not something she's known for.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If she were nominated she would win.> No way. Too many people have already made up their minds about her, and they're not going to change them based on one outlier commentary (and it is an outlier at this point). Plus, even if she believed what she was saying here, she's shown enough flakiness and demonstrated countless times that she's not the sharpest tool in the shed (simple questions denounced as "gotcha journalism" when she couldn't come up with a simple answer)... not what most people wnt in a president.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Sign me up for Dabob's post 5. No way in hell Palin becomes president.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I wouldn't be so sure. No Republican in the race right now has staying power. Perry is already on the road to self-destruction. Romney will never have the support of the Republican right. Paul appeals somewhat more to the right than Romney, but his stance on foreign policy, especially in regards to Israel, will do him in. I can think of very few Republicans who WOULDN'T vote for Palin, and at the present time Obama looks pretty weak. Dismiss her at your own risk... I think she could be a real danger to Obama's re-election.
Originally Posted By goodgirl Imagine if she won the primary. And then picked Michele-one-L for her running mate.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I can't say I disagree with any of those statement-- I want the person who wrote them for her to step forward... I know that sounds harsh but some of those are quite the moderate stance, not something she's known for.>> I don't know it is that different from her positions in the past. Remember, she took on big oil when she was governor of Alaska. In the 2008 election she was given the job of being McCain's attack dog... I don't know that anything she said then was terribly indicative of her own positions.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You wouldn't have to worry about Palin choosing Michele-one-L for a running mate... she would never take the chance of being up-staged by Bachmann.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I somehow expect Ashton Kutcher or one of the Funts to walk into my living room.
Originally Posted By mawnck So then, what do you do with this? She's the only significant potential candidate for POTUS that has come right out and said what we (or at least I) have been waiting for one of them to say. But it's WINKY, dang it! If Obama continues propping up zombie banks (and the zombie banksters) and preemptively caving to the Gop, and the Gop continues being their lovable irrational Obama-hating country-destroying selves, and Palin is the only one preaching Power To The People and close tax loopholes and Sod Wall Street, Save Main Street and other liberal populist hoo-ha ... Do you seriously consider voting for her? Is she just trying to drive us totally bananas? Is that her plan? Cause she's better at it than I ever would have imagined.
Originally Posted By fkurucz The Banksters own the government, plain and simple. Even if she meant what she said and was elected she would still have to deal with the Senate and the House of Reps (which is why I also think Ron Paul would accomplish nothing.)
Originally Posted By FaMulan I will NOT vote for Palin, EVER. 1-She's a quitter. When stuff gets too tough in the White House, she'll cut and run like she did in Alaska. I can't risk that in a President. 2-She's too extreme for my taste.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Trying to take this seriosuly for a moment, Palin simply does not have the intelligence, fortitude, breadth of knowledge or leadership qualities necessary to lead the United States of America. I don't think she truly appreciates what it actually means to be President. I don't think Obama did either, and he has a million times more depth than she does. I wouldn't trust Palin one little bit if there were another terrorist attack on our soil, if one of our allies were attacked, or if she was President when told we've located Al-Zawahiri or Mullah Omar. I wouldn't trust her at all if the stock market fell 1000 points in one day. I wouldn't trust her if Putin got in her face and schooled her about super power foreign policy and relations. She's a product of today's fast food, plastic, shallow celebrity school of politics, and she's a threat to this country.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SPP - see you in December? Looks like we'll be there again." Yeah, probably. Do you know when yet? We're in Chicago over Thanksgiving, and have discussed going back in December. The likelihood is slim we would, but we're trying to do different things lately. If it's around mid-December we should still be here because that's her birthday and she doesn't like to miss DL then. Last year we had reservations at the Grand Californian but had to miss for the first time ever because she got really sick. All better now though.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <In the 2008 election she was given the job of being McCain's attack dog... I don't know that anything she said then was terribly indicative of her own positions.> But she's said plenty since then disqualifies her in my mind. Long after she had to carry any water for McCain. She is also - and I'm going to say this as politely as I can - not a particular bright person. We just had that for 8 years and look what it got us. This commentary is still an outlier for her. She'd have to say a WHOLE lot more of it, convince people she meant it, and demonstrate a lot more basic intelligence and gravitas and non-airheadedness to get any moderate support... let alone mine.
