Originally Posted By ecdc Some of you may have seen this floating around the Interwebs. Oversimplified to be sure, but funny nonetheless. I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight..... * If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.' * Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story. * If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. * Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick. * Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. * Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded. * If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience. * If your total resume is: local weather girl, runner up in a beauty pageant, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive. * If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian. * If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian. * If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society. * If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible. * If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's. * If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable. OK, much clearer now.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 Welcome to the Republican Party. The masters of spin and brainwashing.
Originally Posted By utahjosh This is just ugly stuff that I hate about politics. McCain/Palin supporters have been jerks, and so have Obama/Biden's. It's just not cool.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains < If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.> That wasn't until 79... It was in 76 during the time he was stationed in Florida that the cheating started... << During this period in Florida, McCain had extramarital affairs, and the McCains' marriage began to falter, for which he later would accept blame>> I find it so heart warming that so much money was spent to prove Clinton had an affair - but it's not an issue for McCain!
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.>> This I could never fathom. How could this man win the GOP's nomination? He's no better than Bubba. It blows me away even more when I see my fundy neighbors literally cover their lawns with McCain yard signs. I'm not crazy about some of Obama's policies, but at least he is honest about them. For McCain to run on "family values" platform is a joke!
Originally Posted By ecdc Josh, how is this list "jerky?" You really don't think, again despite the oversimplification, there is a message in the double-standard of the Republican party? Especially as they attack pre-marital sex and teen pregnancy, and often leave girls in poverty on their own, but then laud Bristol Palin, who's one of the few fortunate enough to have strong family support?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Josh, how is this list "jerky?" It pre-supposes that all conservatives believe these things, when really i hope it's a small minority of ignorant people. I certainly don't think any of these things: Barack is a radical, unpatriotic Muslim Graduates from Harvard law School are unstable Barack's family's values don't represent America's. Barack isn't a real Christian. Sure, some ignorant, jerky people on the right have said these things. Replying to them like this list is just as jerky to me. It's validating the arguments that are untrue and not valid.
Originally Posted By DAR <<* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.>> As someone who attended 3 of the 13 schools in a six year period in the University of Wisconsin educational system I can't really find much fault with that.
Originally Posted By ecdc But it is an accurate (sadly) reflection of what many people talk about when they talk about Obama. Sure, they may not say that graduates of Harvard Law are unstable. But we've sure heard the "elitist" label thrown around plenty. And Obama is pro-choice and pro-gay rights. That sounds like his values don't represent the GOPs. And when the Rev. Wright story came out, you couldn't turn left or right without hearing about how Obama's not a real Christian. It's a piece of satire, but it's not that far off.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I started a whole thread asking why McCain's serial infidelity didn't seem to matter to those people here who insisted (when threads about Clinton or Edwards came up) that "a man who breaks his promises to his wife can't be trusted to keep his promises, period" and things like that. All I got was a chorus of crickets. I said right away that I didn't think the two were necessarily connected. But some people (when it was about Democrats) insisted they were. Unequivocally. Here's your chance again, guys. Why does it not matter with McCain?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Call it satire, which it is. There is a place for it. But it's still jerky satire. The jerky stuff said by the ignorant on the right are just as guilty. It's just that satire like this makes it seem that all conservatives are that way, and it's just not true.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Here's your chance again, guys. Why does it not matter with McCain?<< Josh? We know you're around, what are your honest thoughts on McCain's infidelity? How do you compare it to Clinton's? Does it matter to you that rather than divorcing his wife, Clinton stayed with her and she did the Christian thing by forgiving him?
Originally Posted By planodisney It is a piece of satire that IS way off. The sad thing is that liberals actually believe conservatives are like this and nothing will convince them otherwise.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> The sad thing is that liberals actually believe conservatives are like this and nothing will convince them otherwise.<< That's because we, too, have radios that pick up Rush Limbaugh.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I don't like McCain's infidelity. It is pretty comparable to Clinton's - but I do give McCain the edge: I expect even MORE from someone in the Oval Office, and McCain had just endured torture for several years in a an enemy prison. Not that I'm DEFENDING McCains actions: I DO NOT. I don't support infidelity no matter what. I really don't even like McCain that much. I just like the policies he proposes more than Obama's.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >>I just like the policies he proposes more than Obama's.<< What policies are those exactly?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I answered that question in another post just the other day, Skellington88. I really don't desire to debate all of those policy positions right now, so I'm not going to post them.
