Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/09/obama.science/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...dex.html</a> Since I have a blind brother, this subject near and dear to me. It's nice to see a president in office with a little common sense.
Originally Posted By ecdc People keep saying President Obama is trying to do too much at once. I just think we're used to a President who couldn't even do one thing at once, so now we've forgotten that this is what good leaders do. Good for him, not letting this stuff fall by the side, even as he wrestles with the challenges of the economy.
Originally Posted By Mr X Good point, EC. It's funny, because I was thinking to myself when health care came up last week "geez, maybe he should fix the economy first"... My bad.
Originally Posted By FaMulan I'm very glad science for the benefit of mankind is once again allowed to exlpore the wonders that could come from embryonic stem cells. I'm also glad that all those embryos that would otherwise be discarded have a chance to be chosen to maybe cure horrible disease, or at least better the lives of the patients.
Originally Posted By dshyates Oh great, now abortion levels are going to shoot through the roof. Science is EVIL!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I'm also glad that all those embryos that would otherwise be discarded have a chance to be chosen to maybe cure horrible disease, or at least better the lives of the patients." That's what gets me about the people who are crying today about how babies are being killed over this. Some Republican congressman, Chris something or other, went on and on about how "this isn't change" blah blah blah. These embryos were GOING TO GET DESTROYED ANYWAY. That's not baby killing? Please, just shut up.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yeah, that's the thing these ideologues either don't get or don't want to admit. The choice was never between whether those excess fertility clinic (potential) embryos went to research or got born; the choice has always been whether they went to life-saving research or to landfill. Because make no mistake, that's where they went under Bush. (And yes, some did go to research because certain states and private entities funded the research. But federal funding means the research should advance much more quickly, AND more private entities will be able to progress as well.)
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Originally Posted By DAR <<But federal funding means the research should advance much more quickly>> More quickly??? Really??? The federal funding will advance things quickly?? The people who brought us the DMV is going to make things go more quickly????
Originally Posted By mawnck >> The people who brought us the DMV is going to make things go more quickly????<< No, that was the state governments.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin DAR...I don't know about where you live but here in CA the DMV is administered by the state...
Originally Posted By DAR Wisconsin. It's administered by the state. But your telling me that there's not going to be a ton of red tape that firms especially private firms are going to have to go through now to do this research.....okey dokey.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin depends...if the beaurecrats are willing to streamline...and the political climate is more condusive (sp) to research in a more open-minded society and not "stem cells are babies, soon they'll be murdering 3 year olds to get more cells" then the funding will start to flow into research centers.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Exactly. The big thing, DAR, is that a lot of private firms don't want to commit to something like this if they don't know the feds will be doing a lot of the heavy lifting of research. If they know the research is going to be well funded and potential breakthroughs are more likely to be discovered, they're more likely to go into it.
Originally Posted By ecdc I really don't get the references to the DMV. Dennis Miller and other conservatives are always dragging out the Post Office too. "You want Wall Street to run like the Post Office?" Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. Government is like any other organization. It's effectiveness and efficiency are determined by the people who run it, not the fact that it's labeled "government." When Bill Clinton was President, FEMA was an effective and respected organization that did wonders when hurricane's hit Florida. Then Seabiscuit's lawyer takes over and it all goes to hell. And considering how much they have to process and what they have to do, my experience with the Post Office and the DMV has been pretty positive. My experience with my 401K recently has not. People want premium service for nothing from their government. They whine about paying taxes and demand they get cut, then complain that the wait is too long at the DMV. Government bashing has gotten so commonplace in our country, that people do it without even thinking through what they're saying and how little sense it actually makes. Truth be told, government works pretty well when competent people are in charge. And that transcends political party - Utah's Republican governor is no dummy and a savvy leader. But only one party is always trashing government and telling us what a problem it is. Then why on earth do people like Bobby Jindal go into it? If he hates government and loves capitalism so much, he can go work on Wall Street or for a corporation, or go back to performing exorcisms on people having seizures. Let people who actually think government can work run the government. What a novel concept that is.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***or go back to performing exorcisms on people having seizures*** it is my understanding that he merely assisted in the procedure.
