Originally Posted By DAR No I didn't watch Junior with Arnold this is actually a true story: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_pregnant_man;_ylt=Aoxj31mbYsOJ.eMMxqiSW8XtiBIF" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200 80403/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_pregnant_man;_ylt=Aoxj31mbYsOJ.eMMxqiSW8XtiBIF</a> I don't know what to say.
Originally Posted By mele I'm torn about this issue. On one hand, I believe that it's not up to me to define anybody by their gender, yadda, yadda, yadda, but on the other hand, I feel that this muddies people's perceptions about the transgendered. Transgendered people want to be truly treated and thought of as their preferred sex but most men wouldn't be pregnant even if they could (or am I wrong about this?) I feel as if this will confuse most people and will make them be even more distrustful, dismissive and hostile towards the transgendered community. Part of me feels this is a step back in the way the public views the transgendered but, in a way, the whole point of it is that we shouldn't define people based on their reproductive organs. I'm really trying not to be creeped out by it but, I must admit, I am a little. I think it's because I try really hard to see transgendered people as the gender they want (for a better word) to be, so this seems like a real pregnant man, which kind of makes me say "ew". Then I think "whoa, I know too much about this guy's body." I hope these people are awesome parents because there will be a lot if issues to deal with.
Originally Posted By Ursula You know what annoys me about this? It is not a man. It is a woman who became a man and kept her internal plumbing. I totally get the transgendered stuff, that she always felt more manly, etc., but she was born with the workings of a woman, so it is not surprising that she is expecting now. If a real man got pregnant, then I'd be really impressed. They've had this person's story over the morning programs and it just irritates me that they are not ever explaining the whole story except as an aside.
Originally Posted By mele Yeah, it's not the leap of technology that the media seems to want to make this out to be. I'm watching this man on Oprah right now. Maybe he's not explaining himself all that well but he just doesn't like he always wanted to be a man...he just isn't comfortable with female gender roles. He kept his reproductive organs because he always wanted to have a child. I don't know...he's not like most transgendereds that I've known/read about.
Originally Posted By DlandDug My ds explained this to me in the car on the way to school. It is a pregnant man. It's simply the case that the pregnant man has a uterus. It's just that clear to a 12 year old.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight Ursula, I totally get what you are saying. My question about this whole story is that if this man is in a secure relationship with a woman, why not just let HIS WIFE have the baby in the first place?
Originally Posted By mele His wife is quite a bit older than he is...she has at least two grown daughters from a previous relationship.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight ok,but shes willing to have another child though. Does it say that shes unable to have any more children due to medical or age related reasons? I'm curious.
Originally Posted By mele From Oprah's website: <a href="http://www2.oprah.com/tows/slide/200804/20080403/slide_20080403_350_101.jhtml?promocode=HP22" target="_blank">http://www2.oprah.com/tows/sli de/200804/20080403/slide_20080403_350_101.jhtml?promocode=HP22</a> Nancy, the mother of two grown daughters from a previous marriage, says the effects of endometriosis left her unable to have more children. "[Doctors] removed my womb," she says.
Originally Posted By mele No prob. The more I watched them on tv, the less "odd" it seemed. We need to see people who are different from ourselves.
Originally Posted By Elderp I am with Ursula on this one, she is a woman not a man. In my mind she is still a she. Even more so now that she has decided to have a baby. As far as I am concerned she should just go back to what she was before.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>You know what annoys me about this? It is not a man.<< My thoughts exactly. If you're a homosapien and you're pregnant, you're a woman. That's it. I do understand that identity and gender isn't always straightforward, and I'm genuinely sympathetic. But if you are pregnant and capable of having a normal pregnancy, you're a woman.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>As far as I am concerned she should just go back to what she was before.<< And thankfully your opinion on this doesn't really mean squat.
Originally Posted By dshyates He's a she. Very simple. A hairy masculine she. And by the way, I'm very happy for them. As far as gender role/identification goes. The middle area has always been murky. It makes some people uncomfortable, but it truly isn't any of my business, and other than idle curiosity, I don't care.
Originally Posted By Ursula Well, I don't think she needs to go back to being a woman in a woman's role, because of the whole transgender thing. She doesn't feel herself in the role of a woman. But, she has the plumbing, and they want a baby, so I'm okay with that. I just wish the media would correct itself. She is a she, born a she. She can dress as a man all she wants, frankly. She can have all of the operations she needs to fix herself to the gender she best identifies with, no problems. But it ain't no miracle she's pregnant. Now, I'd even find this case more interesting if she was born with both or a combined set of gender-indicating plumbing. I'd watch THAT on Oprah.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight <I just wish the media would correct itself. She is a she, born a she. She can dress as a man all she wants, frankly. She can have all of the operations she needs to fix herself to the gender she best identifies with, no problems. But it ain't no miracle she's pregnant.> Exactly!
