Originally Posted By jonvn So, we're in a war in iraq, terrorists want us dead, people's houses are being foreclosed upon, illegal immigration is a major disaster, global warming is going to kill us all, but Orin Hatch is concerned about porn. Good to see priorities are right where they should be. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/11/01/violetblue.DTL" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/11/01/violetblue.DTL</a>
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I was kinda surprised when I drove through Utah a few years back and saw billboards for porno stores.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I was kinda surprised when I drove through Utah a few years back and saw billboards for porno stores.<< Utah's porn is like its beer - about half as strong as everywhere else. (If you ever pass through and hear a reference to 3.2, it's Utah's percentage of alcohol allowed in beer. It's a fairly common reference around here to anything that's weak.) Go to one of those stores promoted on the billboard and they'll gladly sell you a copy of the "cable version" of whatever you're looking for (or, um, so I've heard). One poor sap decided to sell the real thing behind his counter to people who knew to ask. He got busted in a sting operation (my tax dollars at work, folks) and tossed in the slammer. Yup, that's what law enforcement in the Salt Lake Valley is up to. If they aren't breaking up a dance in Provo, they're busting adults who enjoy watching other adults engage in sex.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Some of us believe that porn is aiding the downfall of America's morality. However, I can't blame goverment programs for that. And neither can the government do anything about it.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Some of us believe that porn is aiding the downfall of America's morality.<< And some of us believe that porn has nothing to do with morality. Given that, and that it (despite a lot of blustering by Christian conservatives like James Dobson) has yet to be shown to actually be harmful to people, the government has no business regulating it. So long as it involves consenting adults participating, and consenting adults purchasing, any attempt to restrict it is legislating morality. Of course, people who want to legislate morality suddenly change their tune when someone else wants to legislate their own brand of morality that would then step on their toes.
Originally Posted By Mr X Where can I get a copy of this "extreme obscenity" everyone's talking about?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper <Ironically, Orrin Hatch would be an awesome porn star name.> Funniest post of the year. I need some windex for my computer screen. I am concerned about my kids being exposed to porn but I've got no problem with adults doing whatever.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Some of us believe that porn is aiding the downfall of America's morality. " And some of us believe that your religion is a pile of useless mumbo jumbo and is harmful to society. I have an idea, why don't you let us have our porn, and you can have your insane delusions? Yeah, I think that works best for everyone. Now go pray to Jeebus for my soul.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Where can I get a copy of this "extreme obscenity" everyone's talking about?" All you want for free on usenet.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Some of us believe that porn is aiding the downfall of America's morality.> Right. Since 'porn' was 'invented' what 5 years ago? Back in the days of our founding fathers, for example, 'porn' did not exist. [please note the Sarcas-O-Meter is WAY on!]
Originally Posted By utahjosh Yep, we disagree on this one. No suprise, on either side. But I still feel this way.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 I see what you mean,Jonvn.you do use a sledge hammer rather than a little tap .I guess it's a good thing to feel strongly about things that matter to you. Me I just try to get along and stay off the radar screen.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yep. And there is no way to change it once it's up. Oh well! So, people get mad at me all the time. Curse, scream yell, all that. I just sort of have to learn to live with it and forget it. If people said to me what I say to them, I'd be the same way. Anyway, as to the topic, porn has been around a while. Before we had photography, we had oil paintings, and paintings were made for the same purposes porn is made now. Even going back to Pompeii, if you look at the walls, there are explicit sexual images on them. So, it's really pretty ridiculous to suggest porn is either restricted to this country or that it's doing anything at all. What we have are some prudes who seem inordinately interested in other people's sexual behavior. It is none of their business. This goes for watching Japanese scat videos to peering in on what Bill Clinton did in the oval office. Leave people alone. You have your religion, go pretend it has some value to you. Keep yourself busy telling yourself that, and let other people do what they want to do.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I don't quite understand people who feel the need to impose their views on others. If someone likes to look at pornographic images, why do you care? How does it impact your life? You do what you need to do to live a good life, and leave other people's lives to themselves.
Originally Posted By jdub >> I need some windex for my computer screen.<< Eeep! An alarming post in a thread about porn! TMI, yo!
Originally Posted By utahjosh I never said government should be doing anything about it. You can do whatver you want in your own house. Doesn't mean I have to like it. I can still think it's sick and wrong, and degrading to society.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I can still think it's sick and wrong, and degrading to society.> Nice blanket statement. And yes, you're certainly entitiled to your thoughts. But please explain: How does a person looking at pornography degrade society?
Originally Posted By DAR While I agree it shouldn't be the governments position to legislate what people do in the privacy of their own homes, although I'm sure most of us can agree that child pornography should be something the government should intervene on. However, I do think it's a little sad that Utahjosh gives his opinion and he's attacked as being some loon.
Originally Posted By jdub >> I'm sure most of us can agree that child pornography should be something the government should intervene on. << Senator Hatch made it clear he was talking about adult material.
