Originally Posted By Mr X Well, since this subject has obviously come up and a lot of people are looking for answers (hopefully from people who are actually familiar with the religion)... Here's the first one. What does "Pay Lay Ale" mean/signify? Is it like the christian Alleluia or something (really don't know what THAT means either...guess it's like "praise god")?
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Originally Posted By Mr X Interesting... Well since you brought up the secrecy part (obviously a big part of why there are lots of misconceptions, as you pointed out in the other thread), here's a basic question then... What are the requirements to becoming a temple-goer (I assume there are some)? Or is it just being a mormon in general?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Mr. X, Some of these questions (like the first one) I do not feel comfortable answering in a public forum, because they deal with sacred and special things not for general discussion. You can email me any questions to the address in my profile.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Admin: I would really really appreciate it if this thread were closed. The first question and my hasty answer are not topics that I or my church want to see in public forums.
Originally Posted By Mr X Wha? I'm sorry, but you have no right to ask that. I started the thread to ask legitimate questions that have already been talked about. You didn't have to chime in at all. And you CERTAINLY don't have any right to dictate what questions I may or may not ask!
Originally Posted By Mr X If you want to ask for your OWN post to be removed, so be it... You have a lot of nerve asking for MY topic to be shut down though. There's nothing wrong with it.
Originally Posted By dsnykid I have to agree with Mr. X here... he is asking legitimate questions to better try and understand the mormon faith. had you not answered Utahjosh,, it is very possible the thread would have died, but i can pretty much guarantee that it will now continue. I was in a sorority in university... we had secret ceremonies and when asked anything about them I replied "We keep them secret so as to keep a special bond between the sisters of our organization" Most everyone was fine with that and those who weren't were finally told that we "baked cookies while wearing Lingerie and then had an all girl pillow fight" Yes, there are secrets to many things, but I don't understand why a religion needs to have acts of secrecy, because shouldn't it be your faith bonding you to one another rather than a secret ritual?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Ok, sorry Mr. X. I really didn't mean to ask for the THREAD to be taken down, although that is what I said. I have nothing against honest questions about Mormonism. I just regretted my hasty response that may have been a little more than I wanted to say, and I followed that with a too-hasty response about my OWN post. Plus I was in a hurry, so that didn't help. Ask away!
Originally Posted By Mr X Like I said, if you want to ask for your own contributions to be removed I certainly have no problem with that. It's interesting you're so concerned about what you wrote since you didn't really write ANYTHING aside from pointing out a wikipedia article (I can google mormon stuff just fine...I started the topic to maybe learn some REAL answers from the people who have been involved). Anyway, whatever. At this point I've pretty much lost interest.
Originally Posted By dlkozy Sadly Mr X, you do not understand that members of the LDS church consider what goes on in their temple as sacred, not secret. And thus active members of the church are not going to discuss some of what you might want to know.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I think he does understand better now. My posted reaction to my first post was unnecessary. I appreciate honest questions.
Originally Posted By ElKay "Sadly Mr X, you do not understand that members of the LDS church consider what goes on in their temple as sacred, not secret." dlkozy,most faiths don't try hide what they hold sacred --Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and yes Christians let non-believers know exactly what they themselves hold sacred. Seemingly the followers and the leaders do so to differentiate themselves from others and to also tell other where they draw the line. IF you are right, dlkozy, Mormons are apt to make secret what they hold sacred, then no wonder non-believers are misinformed and mistrustful. utahjosh, can you understand how out of the mainstream the LDS seems when so much of Mormonism is out of bounds for general consumption? It reinforces the idea the Mormons are cultish.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "What are the requirements to becoming a temple-goer (I assume there are some)? Or is it just being a mormon in general?" I'm not sure why this can't be answered. Simply put, one must comply with all the rules and regualations of the church involving morality, adherence to church doctrines, etc. There is a process where church leaders assist members in determining their worthiness - if a member is deemed worthy, they are given an admission card (called a temple recommend) to enter the temple. Not all Mormons are able to go to the temple for varying reasons. Sometimes merely because of age, sometimes because they consciously choose to behave in ways inconsistent with the beliefs of the church.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Yes you are right. They are forbidden on pains of eternal damnation to talk about what goes on in the temple. So, Mr. X., if you have other questions aside from specifics about their temples and what goes on inside you can probably ask them and get answers.
Originally Posted By Mr X **I'm not sure why this can't be answered. Simply put, one must comply with all the rules and regualations of the church involving morality, adherence to church doctrines, etc. There is a process where church leaders assist members in determining their worthiness - if a member is deemed worthy, they are given an admission card (called a temple recommend) to enter the temple.** THANK you. Do those missions people go on have something to do with determining worthiness? Or is that a separate deal? See, the thing that really blows me away is that the secretive nature of what goes on really does help add to the whole "cult" vibe of this group...which I think does not help any of them in the long run. And the reason I started a TOPIC, to talk to real PEOPLE, is because sure I can go on the internet and find out facts about "what goes on" same as anyone else. It really isn't hard. Whether people chose to discuss it or not is really not an issue, since it's easy enough for anyone to read for themselves with about 5 seconds of research (as I did with the magic underpants thing). That's not the point at all. The point was to hear, as ED was helpful enough to offer, from a real persons perspective how things operate. That's all.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Whether people chose to discuss it or not is really not an issue, since it's easy enough for anyone to read for themselves with about 5 seconds of research (as I did with the magic underpants thing)."<<< Which is exactly why LDS won't discuss some things that are sacred to them-because of people like you who think that poking fun at what they don't understand is alright. Your topic that you started was, "Honest Questions About Mormons" was a rouse. The second you start making fun of LDS you have decided that you are not interested in really getting an answer.
Originally Posted By utahjosh >>Do those missions people go on have something to do with determining worthiness? Or is that a separate dea<< Missions are mainly for Men (at age 19 or so) and Women (21 or so) who live a temple-worthy lifestyle and desire to serve a mission. There is no requirement in the LDS church to serve a mission - though most families raise their boys (and girls if they want) expecting them to serve.
Originally Posted By utahjosh dlkozy, there certainly people like that out there, but so far in this thread Mr.X has not poked fun - he is asking sincerely and I'll be glad to answer.
