Originally Posted By Mr X Up is down, black is white, war is peace, the aggressors are the persecuted ones. <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/10/13/15538" target="_blank">http://www.boxturtlebulletin.c...13/15538</a> ***A prominent leader in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is preparing to deliver a major address at Brigham Young University-Idaho in which he compares the anger directed toward the LDS church over its support of Prop 8 to “voter-intimidation of blacks in the South” during the civil rights struggle. In an advance copy of the statement provided to the Associated Press, Elder Dallin H. Oaks renews the claim that Mormons experienced “violence and intimidation,” despite the fact that there has been no independent verification of a single act of violence against Mormon people or property. The Associated Press did not correct that claim. Oaks continued: “As such, these incidents of ‘violence and intimidation’ are not so much anti-religious as anti-democratic,” he said. “In their effect they are like well-known and widely condemned voter-intimidation of blacks in the South that produced corrective federal civil-rights legislation.” Oaks then went on to suggest that the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, which is currently making its way through Congress, will be used to prosecute or threaten preachers. Again, the AP did not correct that statement. Oaks, a member of the LDS’ Quorum of the Twelve, is repeating on of the most common lies about the hate crimes bill.***
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Wow. I had no idea that Southern voters of color in the sixties spent millions of advertising dollars to spread lies and misinformation about equality. I also had no idea that Southern minority voters in the sixties were actively campaigning in favor of discrimination against whites. Must have missed that day in history class.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The sad thing is that he is a member of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles, which means that he is considered to have a calling to be a prophet or a revelator. And it's sad to see that he has no perspective regarding Prop 8 and the violence faced by Civil Rights workers in the 1950s and 1960s. I think his magic underpants are on a little too tight.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'd say the really sad thing is that they have the gall to invoke the civil rights movement at all. Weren't they part of the problem back then?
Originally Posted By ecdc What's amazing is Oaks does EXACTLY what southern whites did in the 50s and 60s, insisting they were the victims and they were just exercising their rights. Then he turns around and says it's really the other side that's guilty of this: they don't think of this analogy he seems to believe he came up with all on his own because he thinks we don't want to be associated with white southerners. If he was any more twisted and out of touch, he'd be living on Mars.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/glenn-beck-compares-fox-n_n_318784.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...784.html</a> Well I guess it's a good day for over-the-top analogies from insane Mormons. Today Glenn Beck compared the criticism Fox News has received to - yup, you guessed it - Jews in the Holocaust.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Aww...let me call the waaahmbulance. Harry Reid spoke out against the cult's involvement in Prop. H8. I wonder how long it will take for him to be excommunicated.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13552589" target="_blank">http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13552589</a> Oh, it's hit the fan now. Colleen McDannell was my thesis advisor at the U of U and she nails it. Were four Mormon girls blown up in Church? Were crosses burned on Bishops' lawns? Not so much.... Historian Mike Quinn also makes a great point here. Oaks' reference to "alleged civil rights" echoes Apostle Ezra Taft Benson's common reference in the 60s to the "so-called civil rights movement." There's a history of Mormon leaders denigrating movements they don't like as evil movements clothed in the unholy guise of rights, tolerance, or progress.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***"If the law required full participation of gays in all aspects of religious life, including clergy ordination, that obviously would present a problem for Catholics, many Protestants and Mormons."*** What an incredible load of crap. If such laws were even possible, women would've been granted the right to become Catholic Priests under such laws ages ago. (that wouldn't be a bad thing, by the way...not a bad thing at all. but we all know how sacrosanct religion and their prejudices are!)
Originally Posted By Mr X Kinda reminds me of the way a bully might punch the weak kid for no particular reason, and then cry when all the other weak kids start yelling at him in protest.
